[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Wait so you expect the source in this case who possibly just raped the community for their work and get paid for it to be like: "Hey guyz I just fucked you over and now I'm rich lolz" Ya ok seriously that is some win if I have ever seen it.

The fact remains that both sides of this little "epic" have not been fully accounted for. Should I take "Loose Change: 2nd Edition" at its word with no evidence other than what some video college kids threw together and put on YouTube? I'd be a fool if I did.

Taj does not account for several months of other chat logs, e-mails PMs and the like and I have heard it said by those with BG there is a lot more to what went down than what he posted. But where is it? Is it inconvienient to Taj's presentation? If it's dirt on Gani and we have the "right to know" why is Taj witholding that information?

In essence, you've already painted Ganiman guilty without the whole story. I don't like Ganiman, I find him annoying, self-absorbed and inept. I've had to work with him elsewhere before, he has no tact. However, where is his side of the story and the story of those associated? Whether I like him or not, I'm not exactly ready to string him up.

Its just Taj's take, and that shouldn't be enough for anyone.

[Feba]

BFD? Really, they're not selling the content, they're getting paid to *be able to work on FFXIclopedia full time*. How is this a bad thing?

They couldn't sell the content if they wanted to. It's ALL FREE. You can literally copy and paste it, word for word, and as long as you attribute it to them and say that it's under the GFDL, it's yours. EVERY site is only as popular as the users make it, youtube would be shit if nobody used it, as would myspace, livejournal, google, and so on. You can't honestly think that the person that maintains and owns the site doesn't have a right to sell it or profit off it if they wish, especially considering that THEY are the ones that put in the effort and creativity to get the site started and keep it running.

[Murphie]

I don't think anyone is claiming that, Feba. The only problem that people appear to be having is that the guy solicited donations from members so that they wouldn't have to sell the site, and then did anyway. Some people might not have donated in that case. Of course, some probably still would have.

Not that I care one way or the other. The Wiki is handy, but hardly essential. If you don't like their practices, don't use it.

Of course, the rampant idiocy and misinformation being tossed around in this thread from nearly all quarters is kind of ridiculous, and as such, it really should probably just be closed.

[Feba]

Did they go looking for 12k in donations, and only make 9k? There's your problem right thar.

[Murphie]

It's not my problem at all. I mean, yeah, they only made 3/4ths of what they were looking to raise, but they still appear to have mismanaged the money they did raise. Whether or not the people who contributed should have any say is kind of a grey area.

That said, the ridiculous crusades being waged on both sides of the debate are a bit over the top.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by Murphie

That said, the ridiculous crusades being waged on both sides of the debate are a bit over the top.

It'll be amusing to see how this BG Wiki turns out... they're going to have to cut and paste from somewhere and then we'll have two sites with the same info, with one that glowers with disdain at people for using sushi instead of meat.

[Legal Fish]

.... first off Legal Fish..... when you have been treated like I have all your school life... you tend to turn out very...well... anti social. When I got out of HS I was happy that I was away from the hell, not that I was a grad......

Hahaha, oh wow. Well, thanks for the explanation, you are certainly an interesting one. A tip: you might want to work on expressing yourself in a manner people will respect you in. Poor grammar and controversial opinions(with no backing at that) isn't going to win anyone over.

What I'm saying here is: Take the words you put in my mouth and kindly shove them up your ass where they belong.

Well, they certainly didn't belong here. I was referring to your post on Allakhazam. In my opinion, those who turn a blind eye to the actions of the scoundrels behind this scam simply to focus on BG forums are on the same side as them.

A company could not pay for expenses..... they do the only thing they can do, sell. Its plain and simple, get over it!

Boycotting a website, because they had to bail out, how mature you are.....

Back to Kailea,

I'm pretty sure you don't know what you are talking about. Please read the OP's link(or the link I posted later directly to Taj's blog) to get a further understand of the situation. Until then, I would suggest you aren't so outspoken on things you happen to be ignorant on.

However, where is his side of the story and the story of those associated? Whether I like him or not, I'm not exactly ready to string him up.

It was told through his account which Taj was able to acquire. Ganiman has made no efforts to clear his name, and I have a very strong doubt he will. The guy is busted. Previous to this, he had several people defending him, but not a single one of those people have been sticking up from him since.


Taj being a hacker and breaking rules doesn't even appear incriminating when placed next to the the slimy, greedy shit that is Ganiman. All the "lalalalacoveringmyears" in the world doesn't change that very important note. Who gives a crap what Taj did in a thread about how screwed up Ganiman is. Make a Taj thread if you'd like.

Ganiman was looking for a better price to sell the wiki made off the backs of FFXI players WHILE taking in donations. He was looking for ways to make cheap t-shirts and mousepads to prevent too much of that donation money being spent, even wanting that fact to be a secret. Ganiman is scum. Read the goddamn post.

[Kailea]

taj should be arested .....

and heaven forbid a company to try and save money. SEs mousepads and shirts where not all that great neather.

[Raydeus]

In before lock.


Also, while this issue is kinda serious bussiness I couldn't stop laughing after the first few posts. And of course I blame this for being the cause.

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by Raydeus

Also, while this issue is kinda serious bussiness I couldn't stop laughing after the first few posts. And of course I blame this for being the cause.

Actually you know, only 0.2% of users typically donate to online websites. They did a study of this and other online behaviors recently and uncovered some really amusing statistics, such as 14% of people using their real names as part of their online handles, and 92% of MMORPG players being more gullible than the average person.

LINK: the Internet is serious business.


Icemage

[Kailea]

ha ha..... so true

I find the whole thing stuipd, and I am wondering why this is not locked yet.

[Sevv]

MEga post yay

Originally Posted by Vyuru

The correct thing would be for BRP to either drop the subject or deal with it here rather than harrassing Omgwtfbqqkitten about a thread here on another forum.
After all, he knows if he pulled that kind of a stunt here he would get in trouble with the mods, again.

No see this is where your wrong, BRP is all do respect has every right to call BBQ an idiot, on another site. Feba calls me an idiot here, I laugh its done. BBQ if he wants to deal with should deal with it where its posted he saw it there and decided to try and deal with it here. That is brining drama to the site.

Bolded the part where bbq is just trying to use mods because he can't win a flame war or debate with brp else where.

Originally Posted by Kailea

.... first off Legal Fish..... when you have been treated like I have all your school life... you tend to turn out very...well... anti social. When I got out of HS I was happy that I was away from the hell, not that I was a grad......
now can we lock this POS thread before more retarded BS happens.....
A company could not pay for expenses..... they do the only thing they can do, sell. Its plain and simple, get over it!
Boycotting a website, because they had to bail out, how mature you are.....

1st off: Back drop into you social life why? And it has to do with this thread why? You being picked on in school has nothing to do with locking a discussion about the sale of a website.

Boycotting a website over many shady practices is mature, I am boycotting it did i post that everyone should? No. I have my right to voice my opinion and boycott a site, But wait how many people are here because Alla sold out? Oh thats right...

How very mature of you...

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

The fact remains that both sides of this little "epic" have not been fully accounted for. Should I take "Loose Change: 2nd Edition" at its word with no evidence other than what some video college kids threw together and put on YouTube? I'd be a fool if I did.
Taj does not account for several months of other chat logs, e-mails PMs and the like and I have heard it said by those with BG there is a lot more to what went down than what he posted. But where is it? Is it inconvienient to Taj's presentation? If it's dirt on Gani and we have the "right to know" why is Taj witholding that information?
In essence, you've already painted Ganiman guilty without the whole story. I don't like Ganiman, I find him annoying, self-absorbed and inept. I've had to work with him elsewhere before, he has no tact. However, where is his side of the story and the story of those associated? Whether I like him or not, I'm not exactly ready to string him up.
Its just Taj's take, and that shouldn't be enough for anyone.

No matter what the deal no side is ever fully accounted for unless they post and admission of guilt. Both sides in a fight will try to discredit the other we all know this it is common practice. Right we don't have several months of chats etc, saying they were being fair it would be easy enough for wiki to post this info and clear the name. Taj posted the dirt that was dealing with this situation, he doesn't have to post every bit of drama about him right saying he has more then he has now.

Ganiman did not respond even know this matter was out in the open until the first bg thread, so it had some purpose either way you look at it, got some answers not by the best means, but if you read bg everyone wasn't hapy about it.

Ganiman refuses to answe bg and the community on the issue, which he should to settle the drama, he has only sent his "fall boys" to talk about it and refuses to talk upon the issue. Right now with the evidence before us, I have made my decision. If more evidence is presented I will look upon the everything.

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

It'll be amusing to see how this BG Wiki turns out... they're going to have to cut and paste from somewhere and then we'll have two sites with the same info, with one that glowers with disdain at people for using sushi instead of meat.

BG and the community from BG are major posters on wiki, not the only posters but have contributed and great deal to the endgame areas. Alot of the info is taken from bg anyways. You all laugh but everyone steals taj dats including wiki and I bet they still will.

Originally Posted by Legal Fish

It was told through his account which Taj was able to acquire. Ganiman has made no efforts to clear his name, and I have a very strong doubt he will. The guy is busted. Previous to this, he had several people defending him, but not a single one of those people have been sticking up from him since.
Taj being a hacker and breaking rules doesn't even appear incriminating when placed next to the the slimy, greedy shit that is Ganiman. All the "lalalalacoveringmyears" in the world doesn't change that very important note. Who gives a crap what Taj did in a thread about how screwed up Ganiman is. Make a Taj thread if you'd like.
Ganiman was looking for a better price to sell the wiki made off the backs of FFXI players WHILE taking in donations. He was looking for ways to make cheap t-shirts and mousepads to prevent too much of that donation money being spent, even wanting that fact to be a secret. Ganiman is scum. Read the goddamn post.

For those who don't read brp's posts because you dont like him, try for once. He is not saying what Taj did (by hacking) was right, he is saying that just because taj hacked to get the info you can't turn a blind eye on what ganiman did.

Originally Posted by Kailea

taj should be arested .....
and heaven forbid a company to try and save money. SEs mousepads and shirts where not all that great neather.

Why should Taj be arrested? Hmm many of you are saying no proof on ganiman, show me once where Taj admits to hacking all this info, other people say it but never Taj. You all are running on speculation

[Kailea]

SevIfrit....what the hell are you talking about.. I am not BBQ

and that info about my life was in response to a question asked by Legal Fish.... he asked why I am an ass most of the time... and I told him.

Also some of that info gathered could only have been taken, by hacking.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by SevIfrit

No see this is where your wrong, BRP is all do respect has every right to call BBQ an idiot, on another site. Feba calls me an idiot here, I laugh its done. BBQ if he wants to deal with should deal with it where its posted he saw it there and decided to try and deal with it here. That is brining drama to the site.

Bolded the part where bbq is just trying to use mods because he can't win a flame war or debate with brp else where.

I don't know what's more sad, your lame idea of meeting BRP in his own turf, derailing a topic that pretty much pertains to BG members going down on each other OR the fact that you can't even be bothered to read who it is you are quoting. Since when was I both Kailea and Vyuyu?

Maybe I'm Feba or Omni next time.

Yes, I'm using the mods here on this site to get BRP banned, I'm swiping this from Mhurron:

Boycotting a website over many shady practices is mature, I am boycotting it did i post that everyone should? No. I have my right to voice my opinion and boycott a site, But wait how many people are here because Alla sold out? Oh thats right...

Oh, you mean that site that you visit for "lulz." As if "lawl" wasn't a retarded enough form of LOL, no, not even an acronym can maintain its dignity with you. You're not exactly above the grade of the Alla posters you like to look down on.

What are you boycotting? You don't pay for this site, you didn't donate to it. You're gonna have to cut and paste everything from ffxilopedia to even get it on BG's Wiki. You can boycott Alla, FFXIlopedia, Mystery Tour and people will still use those sites. Alla didn't go away, so its not like BG Wiki is going to render FFXIlopedia obselete, if anything, BG has probabaly driven more people to it. People will update both.

[Jei]

Just my opinion, ffxiclopedia was a great resource for me. That alone made donating to it a good deal. I can careless what the guy do to the money, not really my problem. It's not like I donate millions to it anyway.... it's just, $10-$20