Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads

Feba · 07-22-2006, 03:05 PM

numpad.

As in "numpad."

numpad.

Just copy paste "numpad.".

Murphie · 07-22-2006, 03:25 PM

That isn't an answer to the question I asked.

Feba · 07-22-2006, 03:30 PM

numpad is the little thing on the rightside of your keyboard. numpad. is the . on numpad.

Murphie · 07-22-2006, 03:36 PM

I know what the numpad is. I use it every day. XD I just wanted to know which key would become the console key in that case. Thanks for clearing that up.

soonk · 07-22-2006, 03:37 PM

ill be honest, and im sure its the same for murphie, i didnt notice the "." after numpad until your last post. he probably thought you meant a key called numpad
just a guess

Murphie · 07-22-2006, 03:49 PM

Since I believe in this crazy thing called punctuation, I really didn't see that at all. In fact, until soonk pointed it out, I still hadn't realized that.

When I see a period at the end of things, I just assume that it's a way of tidying up the end of that sentence or phrase. Or word. Whatev.

Makes a lot more sense Feba. Sorry for being retarded.

Feba · 07-22-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Sorry for being retarded.

I understand, you are an elvaan at heartaru.

Murphie · 07-22-2006, 03:54 PM

Oh no you di-int.

XaviarCraig · 07-22-2006, 03:58 PM

There already is a legit way to get FFXI windowed without ANY 3rd party programs. Its called using WINE within linux. It creates a windows enviroment within linux, it is NOT emulation and therefore does NOT cause windows programs to run slower. It simply creates a DOS and windows compatibility layer within linux. With slackware I can actually get FFXI to run better than in windows XP or server 2003.

How does it let FFXI run in a window? Because it creates the windows enviroment(Or subsystem for those who are familiar with M$'s slang) within linux. If you use KDE or some other GUI in Linux you can get the subsystem window any size you wish and the programs will not know because they are sealed within the windows layer. FFXI/POL THINKS its running in full screen mode when it only is within the subsystem window.

Problem solved, no 3rd party programs/plugins that get your ass canned. WINE is not a program, but a compatibility layer for linux. Therefore, you arent breaking the TOS

I cant believe people are smart enough to go through the trouble of making a seperate program that lets FFXI run in windowed mode in windows, yet too stupid to take the time to learn/use linux and a few extras for it. Linux is open source and free as well.

NOTE1: WINE it self needs some tweaking to get most programs running, but its nothing you cant do with a multibooted computer (Linux/DOS/Windows)

NOTE2: This isnt something someone can walk you through. You have to get off your crusty ass and do it yourself. Problems that emerge will be different for everyone depending upon how to they go about getting FFXI to run in WINE.

Kailea · 07-22-2006, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XaviarCraig

There already is a legit way to get FFXI windowed without ANY 3rd party programs. Its called using WINE within linux. It creates a windows enviroment within linux, it is NOT emulation and therefore does NOT cause windows programs to run slower. It simply creates a DOS and windows compatibility layer within linux. With slackware I can actually get FFXI to run better than in windows XP or server 2003.

How does it let FFXI run in a window? Because it creates the windows enviroment(Or subsystem for those who are familiar with M$'s slang) within linux. If you use KDE or some other GUI in Linux you can get the subsystem window any size you wish and the programs will not know because they are sealed within the windows layer. FFXI/POL THINKS its running in full screen mode when it only is within the subsystem window.

Problem solved, no 3rd party programs/plugins that get your ass canned. WINE is not a program, but a compatibility layer for linux. Therefore, you arent breaking the TOS

I cant believe people are smart enough to go through the trouble of making a seperate program that lets FFXI run in windowed mode in windows, yet too stupid to take the time to learn/use linux and a few extras for it. Linux is open source and free as well.

NOTE1: WINE it self needs some tweaking to get most programs running, but its nothing you cant do with a multibooted computer (Linux/DOS/Windows)

NOTE2: This isnt something someone can walk you through. You have to get off your crusty ass and do it yourself. Problems that emerge will be different for everyone depending upon how to they go about getting FFXI to run in WINE.

have you tried WINE in Linux with FFXI, from what I understood it has never worked, and still does not work right at all.

XaviarCraig · 07-22-2006, 05:32 PM

I run FFXI on wine/slackware some times. I had ALOT of issues at first, but after I replaced/changed a several files it worked... Might not be legal since I replaced a few files in wine with the REAL windows ones... Some of them were causing problems.

Some of the files in wine for the enviroment are identical to the windows ones... but alot of them differ and I needed to actually replace them with server 2003 versions of them. Even though I got it working it still crashes once every 15 to 45 minutes so I dont always use it to run FFXI. I believe if I got off my ass and actually tryed to fix the problems I could probably get it to work better.

EDIT: Biggest problem with wine and most programs is that the WINE enviroment files are not always remade correct. Since they(WINE development team) refuses to do anything that might be illegal, it is a slow process of creating a decent windows enviroment in linux. However if you do do things potentionally illegal its easy to get alot of programs working...

EDIT2: Actually, I dont think I could do much better than I already have on my own. I am not a programer, and I cant modify certain files at fault that well. Some files used in the enviroment cannot simply be swapped out for reasons unknown to me.

DakAttack · 07-22-2006, 05:40 PM

Windows was never meant to run on a Linux operating system, so while you think you're in open waters, SE might have sharks with lasers attached to their heads circling your boat.

Kailea · 07-22-2006, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XaviarCraig

I run FFXI on wine/slackware some times. I had ALOT of issues at first, but after I replaced/changed a several files it worked... Might not be legal since I replaced a few files in wine with the REAL windows ones... Some of them were causing problems.

Some of the files in wine for the enviroment are identical to the windows ones... but alot of them differ and I needed to actually replace them with server 2003 versions of them. Even though I got it working it still crashes once every 15 to 45 minutes so I dont always use it to run FFXI. I believe if I got off my ass and actually tryed to fix the problems I could probably get it to work better.

EDIT: Biggest problem with wine and most programs is that the WINE enviroment files are not always remade correct. Since they(WINE development team) refuses to do anything that might be illegal, it is a slow process of creating a decent windows enviroment in linux. However if you do do things potentionally illegal its easy to get alot of programs working...

EDIT2: Actually, I dont think I could do much better than I already have on my own. I am not a programer, and I cant modify certain files at fault that well. Some files used in the enviroment cannot simply be swapped out for reasons unknown to me.

oh thats pretty cool, good job on that ^.^ I will admit, I am not very good with Linux, basicly just because I am not used to it

Nimrod4154 · 07-22-2006, 08:43 PM

Stop complaining about it. THey don't allow it, plain and simple. It is easier to cheat using Windower and that's just how it is.

Suteru · 07-22-2006, 08:49 PM

that's a stupid reason

It's easier to kill someone using a gun, but people were killing other people long before guns were invented

07-22-2006, 03:05 PM	#31
Feba sweet broken hearted machine Starlight Medal Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Facility A220S-0024, Room 211 Posts: 8,558 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 2,007 Thanked 2,232x in 1,514 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads numpad. As in "numpad." numpad. Just copy paste "numpad.".

07-22-2006, 03:25 PM	#32
Murphie Murphie Wings of Honor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Murphie Posts: 8,193 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 531 Thanked 1,706x in 1,053 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads That isn't an answer to the question I asked. __________________ Murphie.

07-22-2006, 03:30 PM	#33
Feba sweet broken hearted machine Starlight Medal Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Facility A220S-0024, Room 211 Posts: 8,558 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 2,007 Thanked 2,232x in 1,514 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads numpad is the little thing on the rightside of your keyboard. numpad. is the . on numpad.

07-22-2006, 03:36 PM	#34
Murphie Murphie Wings of Honor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Murphie Posts: 8,193 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 531 Thanked 1,706x in 1,053 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads I know what the numpad is. I use it every day. XD I just wanted to know which key would become the console key in that case. Thanks for clearing that up. __________________ Murphie.

07-22-2006, 03:37 PM	#35
soonk Rai pwnd me Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 38 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads ill be honest, and im sure its the same for murphie, i didnt notice the "." after numpad until your last post. he probably thought you meant a key called numpad just a guess

07-22-2006, 03:49 PM	#36
Murphie Murphie Wings of Honor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Murphie Posts: 8,193 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 531 Thanked 1,706x in 1,053 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads Since I believe in this crazy thing called punctuation, I really didn't see that at all. In fact, until soonk pointed it out, I still hadn't realized that. When I see a period at the end of things, I just assume that it's a way of tidying up the end of that sentence or phrase. Or word. Whatev. Makes a lot more sense Feba. Sorry for being retarded. __________________ Murphie.

07-22-2006, 03:54 PM	#38
Murphie Murphie Wings of Honor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Murphie Posts: 8,193 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 531 Thanked 1,706x in 1,053 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads Oh no you di-int. __________________ Murphie.

07-22-2006, 03:58 PM	#39
XaviarCraig Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 12 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads There already is a legit way to get FFXI windowed without ANY 3rd party programs. Its called using WINE within linux. It creates a windows enviroment within linux, it is NOT emulation and therefore does NOT cause windows programs to run slower. It simply creates a DOS and windows compatibility layer within linux. With slackware I can actually get FFXI to run better than in windows XP or server 2003. How does it let FFXI run in a window? Because it creates the windows enviroment(Or subsystem for those who are familiar with M$'s slang) within linux. If you use KDE or some other GUI in Linux you can get the subsystem window any size you wish and the programs will not know because they are sealed within the windows layer. FFXI/POL THINKS its running in full screen mode when it only is within the subsystem window. Problem solved, no 3rd party programs/plugins that get your ass canned. WINE is not a program, but a compatibility layer for linux. Therefore, you arent breaking the TOS I cant believe people are smart enough to go through the trouble of making a seperate program that lets FFXI run in windowed mode in windows, yet too stupid to take the time to learn/use linux and a few extras for it. Linux is open source and free as well. NOTE1: WINE it self needs some tweaking to get most programs running, but its nothing you cant do with a multibooted computer (Linux/DOS/Windows) NOTE2: This isnt something someone can walk you through. You have to get off your crusty ass and do it yourself. Problems that emerge will be different for everyone depending upon how to they go about getting FFXI to run in WINE.

07-22-2006, 05:32 PM	#41
XaviarCraig Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 12 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads I run FFXI on wine/slackware some times. I had ALOT of issues at first, but after I replaced/changed a several files it worked... Might not be legal since I replaced a few files in wine with the REAL windows ones... Some of them were causing problems. Some of the files in wine for the enviroment are identical to the windows ones... but alot of them differ and I needed to actually replace them with server 2003 versions of them. Even though I got it working it still crashes once every 15 to 45 minutes so I dont always use it to run FFXI. I believe if I got off my ass and actually tryed to fix the problems I could probably get it to work better. EDIT: Biggest problem with wine and most programs is that the WINE enviroment files are not always remade correct. Since they(WINE development team) refuses to do anything that might be illegal, it is a slow process of creating a decent windows enviroment in linux. However if you do do things potentionally illegal its easy to get alot of programs working... EDIT2: Actually, I dont think I could do much better than I already have on my own. I am not a programer, and I cant modify certain files at fault that well. Some files used in the enviroment cannot simply be swapped out for reasons unknown to me. Last edited by XaviarCraig; 07-22-2006 at 05:39 PM.

07-22-2006, 05:40 PM	#42
DakAttack Where The Bad Things Go Sterling Star Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Confirmed Posts: 3,357 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 137 Thanked 344x in 250 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads Windows was never meant to run on a Linux operating system, so while you think you're in open waters, SE might have sharks with lasers attached to their heads circling your boat. __________________

07-22-2006, 08:43 PM	#44
Nimrod4154 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 105 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads Stop complaining about it. THey don't allow it, plain and simple. It is easier to cheat using Windower and that's just how it is. __________________ FF Tribute - Chocobo Mix Hililen of the Diabolos server. Current residence:San d'Oria 40 MNK 22 WAR 15 BLM 13 WHM

07-22-2006, 08:49 PM	#45
Suteru Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 58 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Because We Never Have Enough Windower Threads that's a stupid reason It's easier to kill someone using a gun, but people were killing other people long before guns were invented

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