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Damn, these things are overpowered. I just got the flee and pos hack, and... well... I can't use them, as I don't even have Windower, which it requires to run, but by opening them up on my PC w/o FFXI, it gives me options such as running at 5x Flee speed, warping to a PC, NPC, or selected position, or a pre-determined monster(It gives a list of 10 mobs, including Kings, Sim, Serket, KA... and for some weird reason, Magic Sludge[The BLM AF6 NM for those who don't know])
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Sadly there is a way to run a poor man's flee tool, without downloading anything else by windower. It is very unstable and I won't post how it's done (it can either, slow you down extremely or speed you up extremely).
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Wow, I had no idea all of this could happen. I thought there was little more than fish, NM claim, and warp bots. That's really gay how people think it's more "fun" to cheat. If I were to ever catch anyone I knew doing that, I'd /slap the shit out of them. (In RL ^^) That really sucks.
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---------------- This stuff is crazy, I had no idea how far it went. I'm against MPK, but if I ever caught myself cheating like that, I'd have to MPK myself. I subscribe to the same state of 'relative blissful unawareness' that Ellipses does. I don't worry about stuff unless someone ticks me off. Then I just /blist them and move on.
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| Resident GM Impersonator (Sanctioned) Super Moderator | Re: The Third Party [A Discussion]
An interesting read, to say the last. Kind of scary, really. I've been wondering recently: if you write a program to use, is it still considered third person? While I would not be able to even begin programming anything like this, the term "third party software" suggests software made by neither SE (First party) or you (second party). Theoretically (and don't test this unless you want to lose your account), a program you wrote yourself could not fall under "third party software."
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Not sure if anyone realizes this, but all these screenshots are self incriminating. Not only that, the amount of proof that he has on himself only reflects on how often he uses these programs. You can claim they are for "educational" purposes, but then again, so can the last gilseller that claimed deggi before me. If you truely don't support using programs like this, then why are you using it? It's one thing to research about it, and another thing to flaunt it in the fashion you have done. Check out his screenshot post on the other thread. Was that for educational purposes as well?
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| Resident GM Impersonator (Sanctioned) Super Moderator | Re: The Third Party [A Discussion]
Omniblast: And how might you logically assume that? The ToS is a contract between two parties, them (first) and you (second). I realize they would still ban you for using unsupported software that affects gameplay, but by definition it is not "third party" as you are the second party. There is no such thing as "3rd party to Square Enix". It is not possible for a person to be both the second and third party in an agreement. This is not a loophole for using illicit software, but is perhaps poor terminology on their part.
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Taodyn: By contracting with SE you are obligated to follow their rules and regulations, you are therefore not suppose to create software that undermines, reverse engineer, de-encrypt their packets etc. Thusly in doing so, you voilate the agreement with them and you can be prosecuted that way. I'm sure if you try to play off that... GM>> You are using 3rd party software to undermine ffxi. Player>> No I'm not, I wrote it myself. GM>> thank you for admitting that *Feeds player to Jimmy* *Ban player* Anyways, you'd never get away with it either way. If you admit that you wrote it, your screwed, if you admit that you didn't write it, your screwed. Catch 22. |
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yeah, i'd like to see a certain GM dealing with that one, [GM]Dave: well technically, yes you have a point, you aren't using a 3rd party program... [GM]Dave: so technically i can't touch you... Tiamat hits player for 13,789 points of damage player is defeated [GM}Dave: Technially, she can though... | |
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| Resident GM Impersonator (Sanctioned) Super Moderator | Re: The Third Party [A Discussion]
Of course this is still a violation of the ToS in terms of creating offending software, but my original question was not of the legality or morality of it, but rather the actual definition of third party. You are right, though, This might make a nice blog entry.
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Please take a look at this link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party In case you can't view it at work. [code] In video games:
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By definition, a third party is one that is not part of either of the two original parties involved in a contract. As a player is one of the parties, they cannot be deemed third parties. Taodyn synthesized a cookie +1.
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