[Balfree]

Cant i take a look at the pic? im curious <.<

[neighbortaru]

it's posted on the windower's web site. google it please, no links.

[Balfree]

right, k.

i like your new, badass, moderating ^^

[pearlsea]

If this is like the change jobs anywhere thing then its going to be shutdown quicly and pepole are going to get banned.

[Darkhound]

I play on PS2, so i cant even use that!

[neighbortaru]

like sevenpointflaw said earlier (which I agreed with), I think this is all client side. I have faith in the windower guys to not abuse the game like that.

moglink, much like ffasist, just seems to draw on top of your game. i see it more as a super social tool (friendlist +++). though the cyb0r implications are potentially quite disturbing.

[Reincarnation]

Pay no mind to it, fear it... -w-, anyways... I simply dn't see the problem; in every game someone cheats why would people think FFXI would be any different? All's well that ends well, right? ^-^

[Macht]

This is part of the reason I'm against and still am of providing any support to any 3rd party program PERIOD...

It's common nature, you hang an juicy apple in-front of an anyone and someone will eventually go after it. It's the fatal flaw exampled in the Bible with Adam & Eve.

[Reincarnation]

Hehehe, wait... Weren't Adam and Eve bamboozled by the serpent?...
@w@

[Darkhound]

Dont the developers of the windower realized they are harming the game...

[Reincarnation]

Of course they know, they're not exactly stupid... -w- But think of it this way: As long as you win and come out one of the best what do you care about anyone else? Y'know?

[Macht]

The serpent tempted Eve, enticed her to take the apple. He hung the apple in front of her nose sort of speak.

As far as what you can get from the screenshots it looks like the windower treats the new player as if they are there physically. The Lakshmi server even sent the default welcome message. As you can clearly see the 'illegal' member in the mog house is capable of speaking to the moogle and even changing his job.

What is left unclear in the photos is how the server see's the moogle to the 'illegal' member. Does the 'illegal' member when he interacts with the moogle only see the items that his moogle would provide or does it show the actual resident players stuff.

The photo doesn't show enough to say what this has potential to do, but the photo does seem to suggest that the player is there in a much more then just graphical write.

[neighbortaru]

Originally Posted by Macht

As far as what you can get from the screenshots it looks like the windower treats the new player as if they are there physically. The Lakshmi server even sent the default welcome message. As you can clearly see the 'illegal' member in the mog house is capable of speaking to the moogle and even changing his job.

The job change thing could be him interacting with his own moogle as the moogle will be the same spot in all moghouses. He could target the external one and initiate conversation, but would actually be speaking with his own.

[Macht]

Originally Posted by neighbortaru

The job change thing could be him interacting with his own moogle as the moogle will be the same spot in all moghouses. He could target the external one and initiate conversation, but would actually be speaking with his own.

True, but the photos do not prove or disprove that either. That is why I had said:

Originally Posted by Macht

What is left unclear in the photos is how the server see's the moogle to the 'illegal' member. Does the 'illegal' member when he interacts with the moogle only see the items that his moogle would provide or does it show the actual resident players stuff.

I had said that because it gives a big clue if the two players are physicially present with eachother or if it really is a smoke and mirrors and the guys friend in essence is just a spirit or illusion. You know like Qunatum Leap, or any other show were the person looks like he's talking to himself by anyone else looking at him.

Simply trying to figure out if the connection really is a P2P or if the character was really moved into the other's mog house. The disturbing thing though is if it really is just a P2P then why would archbell's development fell like they can't mention anything about it?

If it was P2P then simply player 1's system is taking the info from the client version of FFXI and sending it directly to player 2's system and player 2's system injects the data into their FFXI client. That leaves the server completly untouched then, but this would also mean then that the player who owns that mog house should not see his mog turn and respond to the other player.

In the photo clip done it's obvious that the mog has turned to it's right from the standard location and is looking directly at the 'illegal' player. That seems to suggest that the 'illegal' player is physicaly present in the resident owner's mog house and not just a P2P setup. If that is the case then Archbell's gone from just an annoying itch to me to being a serious problem.

[Cliff]

Heh.

So here's what happens.

I develop this technology that lets you do ANYTHING with FFXI. I think, hey, what should I write? How about something so you can visit other people's moghouses and hang out in private. That'd be a neat proof of concept. I think people would love it. Who else would do something like this.

Something even more benign than TParty, etc. So I go and write it up, play around with a few friends, post screenshots. Now, suddenly I'm a public enemy and am killing the game...

You won't be able to do -anything- you wouldn't normally be able to do. I'm not stupid. I'd have thought I had a decent enough track record so far that people would assume that rather than the opposite.

-Cliff