Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.>

aegina · 11-07-2005, 04:26 PM

yagudo drinks recover 3 mp/tick, same as refresh does, but it wears off sooner, so it recovers less mp overall.

at least, i think it does.

Jei · 11-07-2005, 04:27 PM

maybe he can start giving out uncursed beverage.

Icemage · 11-07-2005, 04:33 PM

You guys really need to do your homework before you start posting nonsense.

Melon juice and yagudo drink both give 2mp/tick. Refresh is 3mp/tick.

Icemage

WishMaster3K · 11-07-2005, 04:54 PM

AHHHH RUUN!!! Apple Pie Jr. I mean, Icemage scolded you! That's why I stay in the corner and laugh at you all. I think me and only 10 red mages on my server (glares at Zempten) are like the only Red Mages that COULD melee and do their shit effeectively.

However, It'd take a crapload of potions and uhm, it would be pointless. Point being, chill out when you have to stretch your MP to the point of crying for the Refresh Timer to wind down. Ha, swords in exp. Only if there is a ninja tank and a Bard and a WHM for the Haste.

Aeni · 11-07-2005, 05:07 PM

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/food.php#Juice

Only uncursed beverages grant you an MP regen rate (without having to rest) higher than Refresh ...

On an aside, I think the best RDMs are the ones that actively use their JAs too. I've seen RDMs that never use their Convert ability (On top of a piss poor Refresh management) and I've been partied with a few RDMs that not only do convert actively, but use their subjob abilities as well (Elemental or Divine Seals) AND ...

enfeeble
refresh
dispel
cure
MB
melee

Yes, some RDMs are extremists and also quite the perfectionists. I've even had one RDM (JP) scold a RNG (JP) about not pulling more frequently even going as far as challenging him to pull 3 mobs because he said something to the effect that if he couldn't sleep the adds (Bibiki Bay) that we had no business being there in the first place ... ;3

aegina · 11-07-2005, 05:08 PM

nooooooo!! the scolding hot water! it burns!!! lol^^

i was in a pt with a red mage the other day. he would only refresh the white mage between battles... once in awhile...
and get this: he melee'd. not with a sword... with a wooden spoon.

every time he would step between me and the mob, i would sata>>viper bite over his shoulder for 500+ damage, hoping he would die.

come on! when i played rdm, i stopped meleeing when i learned convert. i don't mind a rdm meleeing, but with a wand?

we made chain 1's.

Taskmage · 11-07-2005, 05:12 PM

But it doesn't cost mana or interfere with your cast timer, and Yag drinks net you about the same MP. In a situation where you have to keep a lot of people refreshed, using drinks on yourself instead of Refresh doesn't seem like such a bad idea, if expensive.

This idiot on the other hand ... ZOMG. Synthing and handing out refresh effects via the trade window has got to be a hundred times more of a pain not only to everyone in the party, but for the dumb rdm that's doing it. Longer time to synth than to cast and then the deadtime of using trade has got to mean that rdm was doing nothing else in the pt. Why on EARTH would anyone do that? To show off their 1337 level 40 cooking skill? Pfft. And furthermore, if someone were to do that, why would they even bother playing the job that gets refresh as a spell?

TheGrandMom · 11-07-2005, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jei

I only started using /equip macro only after hitting 51 rdm for elemental staffs o.O I didn't know what elemental staffs can do at first because I quit my first char before they came out. The staff macro was the beginning. And from that point on I started to learn to equip other things like AF body to get the bonus associate with the spells casted.

Actually, without reading on this forum I might not even be aware of such strategy at all. Researching is a vital part of this game now that I think about it. I have new players coming into my social LS all the time and some of them ask everything.... 1 guy got to level 30 and didn't know what signet is, and we have newbie guide on our forum which explains everything already too.

You know, this made me think. Why hasn't some enterprising individual made a comprehensive guide about the jobs. Think about it, the info is out there and including things like equip swapping macros would be awesome. Finding a publisher might be a trick and getting SE's approval too but in the end it could be a goldmine if done by KNOWLEDGABLE FFXI'ers.

Caspian · 11-07-2005, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGrandMom

You know, this made me think. Why hasn't some enterprising individual made a comprehensive guide about the jobs. Think about it, the info is out there and including things like equip swapping macros would be awesome. Finding a publisher might be a trick and getting SE's approval too but in the end it could be a goldmine if done by KNOWLEDGABLE FFXI'ers.

Half my days at work are spent sitting on my ass, being so bored I wish I were dead. If you need help let me know.

aegina · 11-07-2005, 07:40 PM

you know what else would be cool? if we could get real ffxi'ers to make a real strategy guide.

not like that Brady Strategy Misguide. it only covered the first 25 levels or so and sounded like it was written by a dunes n00b. (it suggests job combo's like war/whm and smn/blm lol)

of course, the book would be the size of a phone book lol, if it tried to include everything...

Taskmage · 11-07-2005, 07:45 PM

Give the guys some credit. Strat guide teams have to work on very short time lines and it takes some people months to stop being newbs if they ever do.

TheGrandMom · 11-07-2005, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aegina

of course, the book would be the size of a phone book lol, if it tried to include everything...

Ya thats the problem. A knowledgable player isn't going to make a half assed guide. They are going to pimp it out to the max with info. A guide the size of a phone book of a large metro area isn't too appealing! LOL

ln14jr · 11-08-2005, 12:46 AM

You also have to think of the hard work and time going into that.

Furthermore, why even bother with a strategy guide. We have this site and others that are pretty informative. Also, if you don't understand what you are reading you can ask people on forums like this one.

And on top of that, its practically free!

Treth · 11-08-2005, 05:44 AM

I use alla and this site, and they give all the info i will possibly need. plus like Raynor said, we have ppl to ask questions here... personally, i think the brady games strat guides suck major. i only use em for sc, spell, and synth charts, but they're not even complete :/

Orpheausjr · 11-08-2005, 04:57 PM

I agree the strategy guides kind of suck. We all should get together and write one it would be 10x better

11-07-2005, 04:26 PM	#31
aegina Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sc, usa Posts: 824 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 89 Thanked 10x in 8 Posts My Mood:	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> yagudo drinks recover 3 mp/tick, same as refresh does, but it wears off sooner, so it recovers less mp overall. at least, i think it does. __________________ ionia of Cait Sith! 75 RDM, 75 THF Plotting World Domination and doing silly emotes on a server probably not near you! I live to entertain!

11-07-2005, 04:27 PM	#32
Jei J...atatouille Super Moderator Wings of Honor Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,329 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 5 Thanked 138x in 108 Posts My Mood:	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> maybe he can start giving out uncursed beverage. __________________ There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence transform a yellow spot into the sun. - Pablo Picasso

11-07-2005, 04:33 PM	#33
Icemage Digital Wizard Super Moderator Holyknight Emblem Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 6,207 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 72 Thanked 528x in 341 Posts My Mood:	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> You guys really need to do your homework before you start posting nonsense. Melon juice and yagudo drink both give 2mp/tick. Refresh is 3mp/tick. Icemage

11-07-2005, 05:07 PM	#35
Aeni Veteran Member Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu Posts: 2,232 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 63 Thanked 35x in 21 Posts My Mood:	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/food.php#Juice Only uncursed beverages grant you an MP regen rate (without having to rest) higher than Refresh ... On an aside, I think the best RDMs are the ones that actively use their JAs too. I've seen RDMs that never use their Convert ability (On top of a piss poor Refresh management) and I've been partied with a few RDMs that not only do convert actively, but use their subjob abilities as well (Elemental or Divine Seals) AND ... enfeeble refresh dispel cure MB melee Yes, some RDMs are extremists and also quite the perfectionists. I've even had one RDM (JP) scold a RNG (JP) about not pulling more frequently even going as far as challenging him to pull 3 mobs because he said something to the effect that if he couldn't sleep the adds (Bibiki Bay) that we had no business being there in the first place ... ;3 __________________

11-07-2005, 05:08 PM	#36
aegina Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sc, usa Posts: 824 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 89 Thanked 10x in 8 Posts My Mood:	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> nooooooo!! the scolding hot water! it burns!!! lol^^ i was in a pt with a red mage the other day. he would only refresh the white mage between battles... once in awhile... and get this: he melee'd. not with a sword... with a wooden spoon. every time he would step between me and the mob, i would sata>>viper bite over his shoulder for 500+ damage, hoping he would die. come on! when i played rdm, i stopped meleeing when i learned convert. i don't mind a rdm meleeing, but with a wand? we made chain 1's. __________________ ionia of Cait Sith! 75 RDM, 75 THF Plotting World Domination and doing silly emotes on a server probably not near you! I live to entertain! Last edited by aegina; 11-07-2005 at 07:18 PM.

11-07-2005, 05:12 PM	#37
Taskmage 不完全の花 Administrator Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,457 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 311 Thanked 987x in 495 Posts	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> But it doesn't cost mana or interfere with your cast timer, and Yag drinks net you about the same MP. In a situation where you have to keep a lot of people refreshed, using drinks on yourself instead of Refresh doesn't seem like such a bad idea, if expensive. This idiot on the other hand ... ZOMG. Synthing and handing out refresh effects via the trade window has got to be a hundred times more of a pain not only to everyone in the party, but for the dumb rdm that's doing it. Longer time to synth than to cast and then the deadtime of using trade has got to mean that rdm was doing nothing else in the pt. Why on EARTH would anyone do that? To show off their 1337 level 40 cooking skill? Pfft. And furthermore, if someone were to do that, why would they even bother playing the job that gets refresh as a spell?

11-07-2005, 07:40 PM	#40
aegina Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sc, usa Posts: 824 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 89 Thanked 10x in 8 Posts My Mood:	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> you know what else would be cool? if we could get real ffxi'ers to make a real strategy guide. not like that Brady Strategy Misguide. it only covered the first 25 levels or so and sounded like it was written by a dunes n00b. (it suggests job combo's like war/whm and smn/blm lol) of course, the book would be the size of a phone book lol, if it tried to include everything... __________________ ionia of Cait Sith! 75 RDM, 75 THF Plotting World Domination and doing silly emotes on a server probably not near you! I live to entertain!

11-07-2005, 07:45 PM	#41
Taskmage 不完全の花 Administrator Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,457 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 311 Thanked 987x in 495 Posts	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> Give the guys some credit. Strat guide teams have to work on very short time lines and it takes some people months to stop being newbs if they ever do.

11-08-2005, 12:46 AM	#43
ln14jr Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 31 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> You also have to think of the hard work and time going into that. Furthermore, why even bother with a strategy guide. We have this site and others that are pretty informative. Also, if you don't understand what you are reading you can ask people on forums like this one. And on top of that, its practically free! __________________ I am your resident noob. Fear my stupidity!

11-08-2005, 05:44 AM	#44
Treth Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: My house Posts: 68 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> I use alla and this site, and they give all the info i will possibly need. plus like Raynor said, we have ppl to ask questions here... personally, i think the brady games strat guides suck major. i only use em for sc, spell, and synth charts, but they're not even complete :/ __________________ www.sockbaby.com Gaze upon its glory.

11-08-2005, 04:57 PM	#45
Orpheausjr Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Clemente Posts: 31 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Rdm giving juice instead of refresh >.> I agree the strategy guides kind of suck. We all should get together and write one it would be 10x better

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