How bad has the gil selling got on your server??

[DakAttack]

I'm a Drg, I'm fairly rich, I camp NMs, I beat people to the pulls... I've become a gil seller! Aiiieeee........ kekela ^_____________^

Anyways I have a picture of four or five Elvaan Dragoon all in AF with the same hair style and color all with random generated elvaan names, and all without pearls. Freaky, I know.

Bah I don't have it anymore, but it was freaky. I guaruntee it.

[Cali]

Originally posted by Impaction
I'm a Drg, I'm fairly rich, I camp NMs, I beat people to the pulls... I've become a gil seller! Aiiieeee........ kekela ^_____________^

You are in danger now, better watch out

New update to list:

Anyone who is leveling in an area with valiable NM, and accidentally link the mob, or got unwanted add, so had to train to entrance = gilseller (Yes, all the little dunes trainers are dead now, wipe the n00bs)
Anyone who is BST = gilseller
Anyone who is BST, and has pet = gilseller

[Kailea]

yeah that list is BS lol.....I am a DRG, and sometimes when I hunt NMs I take off my pearl and go anon, now I am not rich...but I have above decent gear and always hunt NMs for 4-6 hours when I go, or to me it is not worth it to go. and alot of the times I beat people to the tag because of the way I have my macro setup with my controler. And I have never sold gil, never will sell gil, and never will buy gil EVER!

[Frumply]

>If SE allows players to report gil sellers and buyers they'll start a giant witch hunt that will catch several innocent people in the crossfire

Don't forget that the biggest problem is inaction on the most blatant offenders. Customers are unhappy because the workers are at popular hunting grounds, very popular NMs, etc. which "normal" folks go to as well.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
yeah that list is BS lol.....I am a DRG, and sometimes when I hunt NMs I take off my pearl and go anon, now I am not rich...but I have above decent gear and always hunt NMs for 4-6 hours when I go, or to me it is not worth it to go. and alot of the times I beat people to the tag because of the way I have my macro setup with my controler. And I have never sold gil, never will sell gil, and never will buy gil EVER!

It's a joke.

[tazirai]

Originally posted by Cali
Anyone who is anon = gilseller
Anyone who has good gears = gilseller
Anyone who camp the NM I am camping = gilseller
Anyone who is repeatingly camping the same NM because they couldn't get the rare drop(|luck| |Can I have it?|) = gilseller
Anyone who is DRG = gilseller
Anyone who camp with more than 6 people from their LS = gilseller
Anyone who doesn't reply to my ultimately important tell = gilseller
Anyone who doesn't speak my godly language = gilseller

That's all I could think of :spin:

pretty much covered

Originally posted by kuu
A witch hunt is already in place, just luckly not to the level where a large section of the community becomes paranoid.

Well to guess to an apocalyptic ffxi gilseller world:

Anyone who NM steals= gilseller
Anyone who farms more then 5 hours = gilseller
Anyone who beats you in monster pull = gilseller
Anyone who's speaks chinese = gilseller
Anyone who's rich =gilseller
Anyone without a pearl = gilseller
Aynone with rhyming names =gilseller
Anyone who owns a history = gilseller
Alientate and mpk all gilsellers

Did I miss any stereotype?

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Originally posted by Niland
if you don't like gill-sellers, don't buy gil.

Correct, but people alwasy look for a leg up,
I blame one thing for gil buyers .. well primarily one thing I see my NA friends complain about, Accuracy items. Seems thats what everyone seems to berate players for so they think they need to buy =100000 Accuracy items to be able to do anything.

just something ive noticed...

Originally posted by Pai Pai Master
Mass banning of gilsellser would do nothing.

Gilsellers would return in the form of new characters, and while they EXP to the levels they need to be, regular players would be camping the NMs and instead of doing the right thing by undercutting the prices to make them more natural and reasonable, they'd just want to sell for the highest price, and then post on message boards about how they hate gilsellers 5 minutes later.

It's how the world works. I've taught myself to just ignore gilsellers. They're there, they suck, but there's nothing you, me or Square Enix can do about it.

I pretty Ignore gil sellers also, the thing that pisses me off is the greed of the Players who then turn around and blame gil sellers.

Example: go to jueno and look for a stack of firecrystals.
last purchase price is 4k.. Cool ill get a few stacks.

you inpur 4k and get the message you didnt get it.
4.5k still no luck
5k Finally you get a stack
you just spent 1k more than you wanted to even though the last few stacks sold for 1k less.

You try for another stack
5k = no go
5.5k for the next stack.
that isnt Gil selling its pure greed.

Originally posted by Yarr
people always over look the real problem. Forget gil sellers, its the gil buyers that piss me off.


People love to get mad at all the gil sellers, and rightly so I guess.

the real problem here are the douche bags buying the gil and paying the high prices. If no one bought the gil, there would be no gil sellers.

Gil sellers are a problem.

Gil Buyers ARE the ones who create the problem, If they didnt demand it there would be no market.

just as Yarr said.
GREED is Bigger than gil sellers or buyers to me.
People always try to push the envilope and that causes un needed inflation.

Also those items that are"MUST'S" just to level up arent musts. they are luxury items. You dont need =20000 Acc to level up.
You dont need to spend 400k on an earing that gives you +5Mp

Whatim going to say is going to fall on Deaf ears but if players top berating other players for Their equips.
they would one
1) Stop the need for gil buying
2) Stop gil sellers
3) Put a clamp on the rapid greed
4) Stop telling people to be the best you need that +5 MP or you suck.


but this wont happen so to deaf ears it falls.

[Cali]

:spin: Well written, well written~ I seriously wish I could put it that nicely :spin: *Cali uses Dream Hat+1, Cali got a ginger cookie, Cali hands tazirai a ginger cookie.*

Also the people that just bid for the highest price in history(regardless of it being the oldest) caused the price inflation too... I can safely say, I can put my Monster Signa up for 1gil, and I am sure I will get the full price sent to me. I tried lowering the price of several items(since the newest price is lowered), so I placed at low price, wanting to rid the history of the higher price, but instead, people paid me the high price >.>;

[Sheila]

if players top berating other players for Their equips.
they would one
1) Stop the need for gil buying
2) Stop gil sellers
3) Put a clamp on the rapid greed
4) Stop telling people to be the best you need that +5 MP or you suck.

Umm... no.

Not everyone is that stupid nor vain. Most of the people I've seen who are into the 'luxury' collecting are very smart and calculating individuals. What other people think hardly affects their buying decisions.

That's like telling the leaders of HNM LSes to not pay the insane prices of the items they can afford. These are prices which they can pay and you're expecting them to sit tight and be happy with mediocrity when they're constantly raising large amounts of money which NEEDS to be used.

The gil NEEDS to be spent because in case you aren't paying attention.. inflation means the value of gil is going down while actual items are going up. The sooner you buy, the better the deal.

But you're telling me it's plain ole greed? Then the whole endgame is about greed! There is such thing as hierarchy, there are people who will be priviledged enough to get what others can't. Simplify the gil inflation problems as much as you can, the problem is you need to accept the fact that it's a lot more complicated than "omg ppl want items make it stop".

the people that just bid for the highest price in history(regardless of it being the oldest) caused the price inflation too

Again, no. The person who put it up for a high price knowing it would sell caused the inflation. Supply and demand. Simple as that.

Not everyone is sitting there staring at their screens thinking "I must pay 3k for fire crystals or I'll hold my breath!".

What in blazes are you expecting them to do? Wait for prices to lower?
By then other people will pay up.

My point is that this is a complicated cycle that doesn't start nor end at one spot. Trying to place blame will probably make you feel better for all of two seconds.

[Kailea]

I agree, it is no one person or groups fault that this has reached such a high level. The blame can be placed on all of us as a whole.

[tazirai]

Originally posted by Sheila
Umm... no.

Not everyone is that stupid nor vain. Most of the people I've seen who are into the 'luxury' collecting are very smart and calculating individuals. What other people think hardly affects their buying decisions.

That's like telling the leaders of HNM LSes to not pay the insane prices of the items they can afford. These are prices which they can pay and you're expecting them to sit tight and be happy with mediocrity when they're constantly raising large amounts of money which NEEDS to be used.

The gil NEEDS to be spent because in case you aren't paying attention.. inflation means the value of gil is going down while actual items are going up. The sooner you buy, the better the deal.

But you're telling me it's plain ole greed? Then the whole endgame is about greed! There is such thing as hierarchy, there are people who will be priviledged enough to get what others can't. Simplify the gil inflation problems as much as you can, the problem is you need to accept the fact that it's a lot more complicated than "omg ppl want items make it stop".

No no, I actually agree with you.
It may be hard to believe but im speaking just on 1 segment of the population, the lower levels 1-45(50), Basically the pre AF levels.
Im rich to so I cant say I wont buy high ticket items, when I can obvisouly afford them. The greed im talking about is the way people try to push the market unfairly, then some poor sap comes along(im the poor sap sometimes), and spends 5.5k on firecrystals when the last selling point was 4k. thats what im talkin about. I could care less if some HNMLS puts items on the market for 5 mil. If someone can afford it buy, by all means.

Im talking about the lower level players that cant afford to buy an Poerful Rope. Not the rich high level player that s currently leveling a lower level job.

there are things in the game which people berate each other for simply because they dont possess said item. So what are those players options.
1) Farm gil? Some people dont have the time nor inclination to farm items even though some of us make the time to do so.
2)Buy Gil? Easiest way out they can stop the harrassment, have some gil in their gobbiebags and have "fun"
"Although its not my idea of fun"

Me personally I dont play for endgame only, So i cant speak on what happens in most HNMLS, even though i'm casual member in a few. I hope on get a cool title, I dont ask for drops the fights do it for me. Then I never look back at that HNM again, except screenies. The game has generated a fair amount of greed among players and not just at "endgame" levels. But across all levels.

The issue is much more complicated than banning gil sellers, and for a game it gives alot of people alot of stress just to log in daily.
Money stress, HNMLS stress, Normal stress, etc.
You cant ban every greedy player because theirs no way to force someone not to be greedy.
What im saying is that IF players stopped beratting other players about what equips they are wearing it would solve alot of things.
Not everyone is as strong willed as you and me Sheila, I dont expect them to be, Unfortunately their fellow players do.

I know When i first started ffxi that I didnt wear the "BEST" gear just to level, I wore level appropriate items, So did most japanese.
Hell Monster signa used to sell for 10k on Ramuh. Rabbit charm was the most expensive at 100k. In todays game people DO, down each other in level up PT's for not having Haubergeon or a snipers ring.
When you fight HNM's I think those Equips should come into play, But just for normal level up?

[Sheila]

The greed im talking about is the way people try to push the market unfairly, then some poor sap comes along(im the poor sap sometimes), and spends 5.5k on firecrystals when the last selling point was 4k.

The Auction House was an amazingly well thought out system, it allows for 24/7 economic growth. This is why one can not blame someone for putting 5.5k for an item which you believe to be on average 4k.

The AH is a 24/7 system. Chances are the person who put it up for 5.5k saw it for 5.5k or more at the time he put it up.

The options you listed are the wrong options for such a player. This person wants to be a smart buyer, all they can do is plan carefully.

If the peak play hours are for example: 12am EST. This means chances are there will be more crystals on the auction at 12am-2am. The more up on the auction, the lower the price becomes because people want to sell. That's common sense for a buyer, wait until the demand is lower than the supply.

In normal level up and HNM battles, having on the whole 3% stronger equipment by getting HQ and god knows what honestly means nothing. Anyone who thinks expensive equipment outweighs actual playing skill and reputation is highly mistaken and it's their loss.