How bad has the gil selling got on your server??

[divisortheory]

Originally posted by Gman
Sounds like they are playing more for fun than profit then. Byakko is no pushover, and takes a good alliance with knowledge and skill to beat him. Does that sound like your average gil-farmer? Most of them are dumb as a brick wall... look what they do for a living

The Amemet team on my server have some NICE items now. The THF has scorpion harness, the WHM has vermillion. Why would they get such expensive items if their only goal is just to profit as much as possible? They must actually ~enjoy~ playing to an extent.

I don't doubt that they enjoy playing. One of the most notorious gil sellers on my server has both a Thief's Knife and a Kraken Club. His group is actually quite skilled. They don't restrict themselves to the typical gil farmer NMs. The other day I showed up and started killing placeholders for Novv the Whitehearted, and along he comes with his Thief's Knife. You might ask yourself well fi they are really gil sellers why keep 80 million gil worth of items when they could sell it and feed themselves for a month? My guess is that this particular group is not as hard up for cash as the rest. They play for fun and sell gil at the same time. He does go around Jeuno every now and then shouting {Kraken Club} 50,000,000G {Do you need it?} but of course nobody takes him up on the offer.

I think this particular gil selling group is becoming your typical HNM linkshell with one exception. Drops which better their members are kept, otherwise they are sold on the AH and the gil is sold.

[kuu]

Most of the small time gil sellers are your average everday players.

Some extra spending money from gil doesn't mean you can't buy yourself good equips, chat with friends and LS members, and advance your character.

Say the only reason one would RMT is because he's doesn't want to pay the monthly fees. Well $13~ a month is like what? half a mil gil? I don't bother to search ige.

That's like 3days-1week farming out of an entire month of fun.

[Frumply]

In Carbuncle:

A few months ago, gilsellers finally got into the shihei business. the constant 7000~8000/stack prices have fallen to 5500, and have caused undue suffering to woodworkers making some change from said item.

Chocobo digging wasn't all that bad this last winter; with the exception of the one A10'er that always came out at the same time of the day and the weekend where everywhere was dry, even some hotspots like Yuhtangah were empty. I can't say if it's more of the gilsellers at work here, but nowadays things have gotten a little slower, more often.

The Kuftal crew all wear Scorpio harnesses now, and have been sighted camping for simurgh and such. If you think about it, there is nothing wrong with this; playing with better gear means increased efficiency. High-demand/low-supply (relatively speaking) items rarely drop in value, meaning that they are able to raise profits without losing anything in return.

Also, if you think of it another way the gil sales is slow enough that they have the extra cash to afford these things. After all, with the value of G's at a constant nosedive it'd be silly for them to hold back stock if there was demand. Prices may rise again when the x360 version or if any sort of expansion comes out, but most likely only for brief periods.

[Stokes]

KC doesnt sell for 50M on you server >_> It sold for 100M on midguard lol -.-

[kuu]

KC don't sell on my server.

No one sells because hands change so quicky to a rich person who don't need extra gil.

Almost the same as a speed belt. You hear people asking, but no one really sells one, maybe once in a blue moon.

[divisortheory]

Same with KC and SB on Valefor. It's never up on the AH. But, I know that Kraken Club typically chances hands for about 50 million. Speed Belt, I don't know. The market on that is so closed and underground I don't even remember the last time I saw one listed on AH, heard someone shouting to buy one, or heard someone shouting to sell one.

[kuu]

Just goes to show that no matter the mmorpg concept *cough WoW cough* praised, the age old problem remains the same.

All items no matter how you try to change it is situational to supply vs demand.

Sometimes I wish I can pay for for some of the rare/ex stuff then quest for them, or wait 5 months on a HNMLS to pass down.

Heck I wish people would sell the osode already, would of saved me a lot of trouble.

[Shiro_Hayate]

I got a question, how many of you seriously wish you could stab a gil-seller? =P I do I do! I believe Final Fantasy XI is completely hopeless now. Remember when Leaping Boots cost 250k, or even 75k. And when Hairpin cost around the same price? LOOK AT THEM NOW! Is it gonna get better? Hell no! Worst part is people are leaving the game yet the problem is STILL getting worse.

Oh and by the way, money problems do not exist in World of Warcraft because of the way the game was designed. High level items cannot be purchased, they must be dropped by "HNMs". However, HNMs are in Instance dungeons (a special dungeon that only your party has access to, and for every party that enters are new dungeon is created), and there are no fucking 9 day respawns. I really wish Final Fantasy XI would do something like this (not Dynamis, that's too fucking hard to get into, and what about the other 75 levels). I really do miss the way Final Fantasy was when PC release first came out, no random shouts gonig around, Fire Crystals didn't cost 8 damn thousand a stack, and so on. I don't want to leave the game yet, cause I have so many fond memories....but why must others fuck up the game =(

[Blood Red Poet]

I believe Final Fantasy XI is completely hopeless now.

You believe wrong. Gil Sellers only helped inflation, they didn't create it. For someone who mentions end-game problems, shouldn't have at least touched the end-game?

[Vinen]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
You believe wrong. Gil Sellers only helped inflation, they didn't create it. For someone who mentions end-game problems, shouldn't have at least touched the end-game?

I didnt bother reading the thread. Actually something I agree with you for once BRP.

FFXI's biggest issue is this. It has far to few money sinks for how much money is being brought into the game each day. The ecnomony is too player driven and not controlled well enough. 90% Player Driven Ecnomony = BAD. What needs to happen is vendor prices need to be lowerd to encourage people to buy from vendors, thus removing money from the game. Well, that is just a partial solution, this game still needs a helluva lot more then that to fix the economy.

[tdh]

Lakshmi has been run rampant with gil sellers. There have been times I've seen the Monster Stigma camp site have more LAG than Lower Jeuno. I've had people in Davoi try to, basically, talk lower level players, or unrelated job out of hunting for the Juitisu Gi, or the DRG NM's Polearm. I've also seen about 20+ people hunting Stroper Chyme. I've also been the victims of attempted MPK's.

Funny thing is, that I run around wearing my full Elvaan RSE and the Iron Musketeer's Armet, while being /anon. (I like the way it makes ya look like an all white demon. hehe ) So they see me there and think I'm a perfect candidate for a MPK, then I switch into my Scythe and Mythril +1 set (I like the INT+6 for Drain, Aspir, and Absorb spells) and kill with little problem. The only problem is, I often hunt with a buddy. The time in Davoi I had a THF who just turned Lv.45. Wanted to test out TH2, he was having problem with the NM's Wyvern beating on his head, so a host of other Orcs racing to kill him too didn't help. Fortunately my Spinning Scythe and Poisonaga helped keep hate on me. (And here I always thought Poisonaga was a useless spell. lol)

Another time it happened to a friend who was Lv.42 trying to get his RSE in Ordelles. I guess the gil sellers thought he was there hunting Stroper, I showed up just in time to save him.

Snipers rings are up to 1M, I think I heard the Hairpin was 800k-1M. Everything seems to be expensive on Lakshmi.

[Shiro_Hayate]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
You believe wrong. Gil Sellers only helped inflation, they didn't create it. For someone who mentions end-game problems, shouldn't have at least touched the end-game?

Maybe because I'm a level 75 DRK and I don't use it anymore? Who the hell bothers to update their info anyways.

Tell me how is it not hopeless when all the prices just keep rising higher and higher and higher.

[Blood Red Poet]

Because people just keep on getting richer and richer? The reason they cost so much, because people can pay that much.

And, I am surprised, you don't realize you don't need to camp HNMs for high-level crafting materials? BCNMs, ENMs, and sky gives you just about all the crafting items you need.

[kuu]

However, HNMs are in Instance dungeons (a special dungeon that only your party has access to, and for every party that enters are new dungeon is created), and there are no fucking 9 day respawns

Ok.. profanities and blatant overly exaterating aside. Instance, tigger, or spawn camp, they all require massive cooperative effort. So there is a line. Thus supply vs demand.

Osode can be sold, why is it not sold? because the line is amazingly long. It doesn't sove the problem of a good item = rare item = you chances of getting it = low.

Good items are rationed= rare= long line = price.

If good item can be gotten easily, there would be no need for lower end items, this easy, thus non rewarding.

I have no remorse for people that that complain price raise, if everything else gain is equal. 8k for fire cystals comment is damning you because it's an item anyone can farm. Why don't you farm it yourself? Because it's not worth your time, thus it's cost is "cheap" compare to what you can make.

The ecnomony is too player driven and not controlled well enough. 90% Player Driven Ecnomony = BAD

You're bring in a very sensitive(in acedemic terms) debate of Market vs Communist. So I'll avoid those overtones.

If everything is attendence based (I.E trigger, quest). The the harder it is, and thus the more attendence.

The line starts around the block. I don't like waiting on line, I believe this line is unfair, why can't I do another way of equal value. solution -> AH, where highest bid wins.

Yea, those people who skip work to be the 1st ones to see Star wars ep3, could have paided the wages of their skipped workday, and just see it. And you won't have mssively long lines with people groaning. Of curse that won't be "fair", it's just the princple of the matter you know.

[amastacia]

Situation on Asura is absolutely terrible.

O. Kote = more than 1.5 million
Emp. Pin = usually more than 1.2 million
Leapers = usually more than 1 million
Fuma Kyahan = 800k (yuck)
Juji Gi = 800k
Cassie Earring = last sale for 3.5 million, by a gil seller

Those are just the big boys. Nearly every NM with a worthwhile drop (and even some non-NM mobs like Nightmare Bats in Ifrit's Cauldron) is camped almost non-stop by gil sellers.

There is an LS of them in sky too. They have pop items for all 4 gods, and seals from Genbu and Suzaku. Last weekend they tried to KS Kirin from an NA HNMLS.

A few members from that same HNMLS and a few members from my LS (originally just me, a THF friend, and another RDM friend, the rest came later) were in Fei'Yin for Capricious Cassie. Our original trio (joined halfway through by a NIN) had him down under 50% when the same gil seller LS that tried to KS Kirin started Cure spamming to KS us. We managed to hold claim until 20% when hate control got so impossible that we couldn't do any damage because CC wouldn't sit still. Her AoEs eventually got both our mages dead, and we finally wiped with CC under 10%. Luckily, the gil sellers wiped too since all of their mages died while unsuccessfully attempting to KS.

Once the rest of the people from both LS's arrived, we all raised, rested up, had a nasty little KS war that ended up with one of the gil sellers CFH'ing on Cassie. We Escaped, came back in to try again. Got him down to 20% before they successfully KS'd by Cure bombing + Invincible, and they immediately CFH'd. We killed CC while CFH'd just to finish the insanity, and to make sure those bastards didn't make any gil for their troubles.

3 separate GMs told us to fuck off, but in slightly more polite terms.

So yeah, server migration to anywhere the gil seller LS BloodSky is not, {Yes, please.}.