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| Originally posted by Spider-Dan No, you showed that it didn't work for THAT bow+arrow setup. In addition, your test conveniently skipped past /wait 7 directly to /wait 8. So when you (or anyone else) tries your test, and /wait 7 works, what will your argument be? That will clearly disprove 60/sec as well. |
you are right. then they will have provided evidence against my argument, at which time i would have to review and change my argument to suit the new evidence. /wait 7 might work, but as evidence against your argument that all ranged attacks are 100/sec, only a /wait 6 was needed.
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| Did you ignore the xbow test posted that clearly disproves 60/sec? Come on now. Ranged delay is clearly not 60/sec, and there is all sorts of evidence to back it up. Are you claiming that it's 84/sec, or 71/sec, or what, exactly? |
yeah, i forgot about that post. what's really strange is that with the same overall delay, a shortbow + wooden arrow does not work with a /wait 6.
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| I was using THF/NIN. Let me guess, you're going to claim that Dual Wield was speeding up my ranged? I can run out and test it again with THF/MNK, or THF/WHM, or whatever, but I don't see any need to. |
i wouldn't say that, that's just silly.
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| Your constant questions of "how many times did you do it?" and stopwatch requests are simply not relevant. Stopwatching goes against the entire point of using a macro; that point being to minimize human interaction and more strictly control the results. |
that's why you do
both.
and how many times you did it IS relevant. if it was only tried once or twice, something could have gone wrong. but since you said you've used those macros thousands of times, i can assume you did it at least 10 times.
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| at this point, you're just saying, "do it again! do it again!" with no reason to do so. |
no, i'm saying "how did you do it?" "where there any factors that could have affected your results?" "are you sure?"
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| Rapid Shot triggered an absurdly low number of those times, plus when it does trigger, it's blatantly obvious. It's as obvious as a Double Attack with a Scythe. |
that i did not know, and i appologize for bringing it up as a possibility of skewing your results.
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What the hell, I'm always up for some more proof.
Power Crossbow (288 delay) + Bloody Bolt (240 delay)
= 528 delay
= 5.28 seconds (100 delay/sec) or 8.8 seconds (60 delay/sec)
/ra <t>
/wait 6
/ra <t>
Result: two consecutive shots. At minimum, this means that delay must be at least 88 per second for this combination (i.e. well over 60).
Kaman+1 (350 delay) + Wooden Arrow (120 delay)
=470 delay
=4.7 seconds (100 delay/sec) or 7.83 seconds (60 delay/sec)
/wait 5 does not work, but I think .3 seconds is within expected lag factor. (see earlier xbow test done by Matkun)
/ra <t>
/wait 6
/ra <t>
Result: two consecutive shots. At minimum, this means that delay must be at least 79 per second for this combination (i.e. well over 60).
(And just for refererence, the earlier /wait 9 gun test means that at minimum, delay must be at least 94 per second for that combination (i.e. well over 60).)
I repeated each of the /wait 6 macros three times, to verify that they do, in fact, work. |
that's the evidence i was asking for
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Now before you start screaming, "you need to do it fifty times more!", let me point out something.
Either you agree that the macros in question are valid and work, or you do not. |
notice that i did my tests only 3 times also, that is sufficient.
i'll try some more testing today also
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