[Sabastion]

FARMING PT’s

I guess it would work like a Raid. We pick a zone 2 pt’s or an alliance or how many is involved enter said zone then mass slaughter everything for a few hrs pool the gil sell the Items then the person selected gets the pot. Will this work?

Assuming we’re all friends and not out to rip each other off is there any reason this won’t work?

For example the group descends on Pal mines and destroys everything. Couple people watching the 4 NM’s, some hunting coffers, some mining some,desything items the rest training. Or sweep Paswlow Marshlands, Beast blood 13k stack Silk 10k stack, Lightning elementals, Tree cuttings 50k stack plus 2 NM’s.

How much do you think could be raised in a couple hours? Are there better locations for raids lvl 30-50?

Comments on Where to do this, weather it would work or not and how much we could expect to get is appreciated.

[aszid]

hmmm..... that sounds like a good idea to me.... mainly because of how boring farming is solo.

I have gone to pashlow with a duo a few times to farm, we each camped one of the nm's and killed everything worth killing in the area's (leeches, crawlers, gobbues, elementals, etc...) and it didn't take us long to fill our inventories. however i admit i was killing the water elementals too, but just for mp... i can fill my mp on just one elemental ^^'

But anyhow, it was much more fun than farming alone, even if we were split up across the zone.

I think it would be an interesting experiment... but maybe it would work better somewhere like the tower in qufim... hmmm... I'll try to rally my LS for this idea ^^

[Xccoortri]

I think the big problem is that there aren't enough mobs in most zones...you'd probably clear them out pretty fast, unless it's a lower zone that is pretty large.

[falloutboy14]

A benefit of this is that everyone doesn't have to sub theif. One person can sub thief, while the rest of the people sub whatever they normally would. Mages could sub smn for mp regen, etc.

I thikn this could work optimally with 3-5 people, nothing more then a party. Then just make some lovely trains, and have two blms at the end of it. While they rest, the other get more mobs.

[Sabastion]

lol I posted this on Allakazham everyone says no.
I posted this on killingifritt everyone says no.
So far here everyone thinks it could possibly work.

^_^

I think camping hoo and cleaning out the yags, bees and chests there will work ^_^

[poweryoga]

tried it before, not very viable because more people doesn't mean more drops. You might actually end up staying for longer because you're not getting the desired amount of drops.

For every monster you kill solo, you get 100% loot.

If you have 3 people farming, for every monster you kill you get 33% of the loot. Unless you get 3x as much loot, there's not much incentive.

Unless you're mowing through an empty zone thats normally unfarmable, don't bother....

If you're all farming for ONE person (cuz you're bored), then its a different story.

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by poweryoga

If you're all farming for ONE person (cuz you're bored), then its a different story.

Thats the Idea. It's just for one person per PT. So yes the loot is split but it'll all be combined then given to one said player at a time.

Week 1- Team Farms, each PC makes 600gil straight gil drops, Send all to player A. All stacks are sold all procceds are given to same player A. All Ore minned is sold and gil given to player A. All Coffers opend loot and gill given to player A.
Week 2- Same as above Only Player B gets all the dough.
Rinse Repeat.

[Norelco]

Sounds good, provided player A doesn't skimp out on helping now that he/she's got their loot...

[LawDawg]

still doesn't make sense... please think about it in a mathematical sense... in the end, you will make the same amount of money if you just SPLIT the money everytime... its just "seems" bigger ... and if you are delusional, i guess this is a good thing

the only purpose farming PTs will work for is fighting enemies that you normally couldn't solo yourself ... this is really rare, and I can't think of anything worthwhile ....

Stick to solo farming. In the end, you'll make more gil/hour even if its farming beehive chips/silk

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by LawDawg
still doesn't make sense... please think about it in a mathematical sense... in the end, you will make the same amount of money if you just SPLIT the money everytime... its just "seems" bigger ... and if you are delusional, i guess this is a good thing

the only purpose farming PTs will work for is fighting enemies that you normally couldn't solo yourself ... this is really rare, and I can't think of anything worthwhile ....

Stick to solo farming. In the end, you'll make more gil/hour even if its farming beehive chips/silk

Show me the math then mister wizard. Other then that keep the "delusional " comments to yourself.

If I can solo 2 Goobuue Farmers then rest, I could with lets say a pt of 6 split in pairs fight... Me & partner 4 gobuue farmers, while another pair fights 4 gobbues on the other side of the zone while another pair does oche/Malbros. If theres more another pt can sweep the entire zone of crawlers/beastmen.

That in two hours is like 4 times the amout I could ever hope to solo on my own.

I'm not talking about wandering sarbuta one shooting things i'm talking Mass slaughter of Everything.

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by Norelco
Sounds good, provided player A doesn't skimp out on helping now that he/she's got their loot...

Well player A is me so I'll definitly be helping. But it wouldnt just be any random person you'd have to help at least 3 times before your elegible and the first few players into the pot can be choosen by LS senority or Sac holders or something.

[Deodorant]

Probably not as good an idea as it seems.

Let's just use a 4-person party for example. As stated above, unless you make 4 times as much as the average of each person makes alone, then it isn't worth it. The most obvious obstacle that springs to mind is the lack of mobs.

Take Zi'tah, for example. Just one higher-leveled farmer can pretty much clear the entire Boyahda-entrance area of Goobbues by himself. Adding just one extra person won't double the income rate, because of the lack of mobs to kill, much less three more people.

Your concept of 'mass slaughter of everything' is flawed, because in a given zone different mobs give different gil returns. Alone, you could surgically pick only the mobs with the highest gil-returns, but in a party of 6, you'll probably have no choice but to kill also the mobs with lower returns, thus even though you may be killing things 6 times faster, your total gil income will be less than 6 times as much.

One solution that kinda springs to mind, might be move to a different zone to fight harder stuff, but this doesn't work because generally speaking, harder mobs doesn't mean higher returns. Farming crawlers in East or West Saru yields similar drop rates as farming crawlers in Crawler's Nest, but the latter take much longer to kill. A more extreme example would be that lizards in Valkurm drop skins pretty frequently, whereas lizards in yuhtunga hardly drop them at all.

As for that splitting gil issue, you don't need any 'math,' just common sense to realize that in the long run it all ends up the same. Taking our 4 person party, let's say each person makes 10k gil per run.

Run #1: Player A gets 40k
Run #2: Player B gets 40k
Run #3: Player C gets 40k
Run #4: Player D gets 40k

Which ends up as the exact same amount as if each run each player got 10k.

[LawDawg]

Originally posted by Sabastion
Show me the math then mister wizard. Other then that keep the "delusional " comments to yourself.

If I can solo 2 Goobuue Farmers then rest, I could with lets say a pt of 6 split in pairs fight... Me & partner 4 gobuue farmers, while another pair fights 4 gobbues on the other side of the zone while another pair does oche/Malbros. If theres more another pt can sweep the entire zone of crawlers/beastmen.

That in two hours is like 4 times the amout I could ever hope to solo on my own.

I'm not talking about wandering sarbuta one shooting things i'm talking Mass slaughter of Everything.

um ok... look, read the above post, theres really no point. You can farm the easiest mob of that family and usually get the same drop. Using your example, lets say you can kill 2 mobs in 4 minutes, then have to rest 1 minute. If you had 2 people, you could kill 4 mobs in 4 minutes, and then rest 1 minute.

Now in the first case, lets say you get 1 drop. That means each person gets 1 drop/5 minutes. In the second case, lets say you get 2 drops (also 50% drop rate ), then each person gets 1 of these drops, resulting in, again, 1 drop/5 minutes/person.

This logic, however, does not really hold up, because a well equiped PT can kill a lot stronger things than 6 people fighting solo. But usually only need to farm enemies that are fairly easy to kill solo .... At lower levels, no reason to do it, just solo. At higher levels, you dont make parties to farm, you make parties to hunt HNM that have drops worth millions of dollars....

[Rubik]

Let's see... Partied in Crwaler's Nest last weekend for 11 hours. Spent the entire day killing crawlers at a good pace with pretty much no downtime (gained 3 levels). At the end of the day I had 5 silks. That was pretty much the same as everyone else. In two hours of running around East and West Sartubarta, I can get at least a stack of silks. So no, party farming doesn't work if everyone is fighting the same monster.

Let's hit it from another angle. Say I get a party together and we decide to farm crawlers in West Sartubarta. Assuming everyone can one hit kill the crawlers and we decide to split the loot evenly, we should make out way better than a solo farmer, right? The answer is sort of. The reason has already been mentioned. There are not enough monsters to support an entire part that is 'solo farming'. Not only that, but when one person is farming weaks, it is mildly annoying to the people in the one who are trying to level. When 6 people are doing it, the entire zone is gonna get pissed off.

Using the second method is probably more efficent than solo farming, but not enough so that I would call it worth it.

[PedaTeda]

yea but i understand the thread starts point of view.... u may make more in one run with a pt and get less the sec. run so everyone gets different amounts

/p a good place to pt farm is the Qufim Tower ( dont know the name) since there r usually a good amount of Gigas there and with all having gil finder<thf sub or main> u can get a pretty penny from this