Advanced Jobs and Subbing - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community

Dawn · 09-22-2003, 07:21 AM

I'm a bit fuzzy on something and would like a little clarification.

1. (Advanced jobs) I understand that if you go into an advanced job, it becomes your main. Does your old job become a sub? ie. if I start out as a warrior and become a ranger, do I become a Ranger/Warrior?

2. (Sub Jobs) Do you have to enter your Sub before choosing your main? Or can you choose a sub to a main job you are already in? ie. If I want to be a warrior with a monk sub, do I start out as a warrior and then become a monk, or vice-versa?

3. (Final Example) So let's say I want to be a Ranger Main, Ninja Sub to dual wield the ranger knives. Does it work out like this: I start out with a base class, say Monk as it is inexpensive. Then when I become 18th level I do the quest to become a ranger. I then have to wait to 30th level to sub, and I choose Ninja as a sub?

John Doe III · 09-22-2003, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Dawn
1. (Advanced jobs) I understand that if you go into an advanced job, it becomes your main. Does your old job become a sub? ie. if I start out as a warrior and become a ranger, do I become a Ranger/Warrior?

2. (Sub Jobs) Do you have to enter your Sub before choosing your main? Or can you choose a sub to a main job you are already in? ie. If I want to be a warrior with a monk sub, do I start out as a warrior and then become a monk, or vice-versa?

3. (Final Example) So let's say I want to be a Ranger Main, Ninja Sub to dual wield the ranger knives. Does it work out like this: I start out with a base class, say Monk as it is inexpensive. Then when I become 18th level I do the quest to become a ranger. I then have to wait to 30th level to sub, and I choose Ninja as a sub?

1. Advanced jobs are basically just like regular jobs. If you get a new job ^^Ranger it will be level one when you start and you get to choose what job you want to sub with it. It doesn't have to be your main.

2. You can start out as any job you want and change to any job you want later. It really doesn't matter what job you start out with to determine your future jobs. But if you did want to do that yes you do start out as a Warrior then at level 18 do your Sub Job quest and when you select your sub job to be MNK for WAR you will be WAR 18 / MNK 1.

3. You got it alittle mixed up

. At level 18 you get your sub job and level 30 you do your advanced jobs. So you choose monk and level till level 30 then do both Ranger and Ninja adv. quests. Your RNG and NIN would both be level 1 then. Get it?

Dawn · 09-22-2003, 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by John Doe III

3. You got it alittle mixed up . At level 18 you get your sub job and level 30 you do your advanced jobs. So you choose monk and level till level 30 then do both Ranger and Ninja adv. quests. Your RNG and NIN would both be level 1 then. Get it?

Got it. Thanks.

Dawn · 09-22-2003, 09:20 PM

A friend and I were talking and well, were a bit confused on a point or two.

Okay... lets say I want to do a Paladin sub Warrior. I start out as a warrior because I want to use similar armors and weapons to save money later on.

I take the warrior to 30 then do the Paladin quest. Boom, I accept the Paladin class and lose all my warrior levels by subbing it. Now starting all over again from scratch as a Paladin 1, Warrior 1?

Gee, that stinks. Do I get this right? I forget everything I learned as a warrior and have to relearn it?

Question my friend brought up, to save effort can I go Warrior sub Paladin, then be 30 warrior sub paladin 1. Make it easier raise the paladin skill, call it 32 warrior Paladin 16, then switch them around.

Now I am a 16 paladin, lvl 8 warrior? A pain but not as bad as starting all over at 1 and 1.

Am I getting this right or am I completely and totally lost?

Last question: Do I keep anything from previous levels? Hit points? Attribute bonuses? Weapon skills? Anything? Or does everything go bye bye?

kansas · 09-23-2003, 08:19 PM

You are completely and totaly lost.

You have the main job/ sub job system all messed up. You never loose anything. If you ever want to switch jobs, you just go to your mogel and switch jobs.

Say you started witha warrior and you lvl up to lvl 10, then you decided you dont like warrior vary much. You go back to your moggle and switch jobs to say black mage. So you play with black mage for a while and you get up to level 5 and you realized you liked the warrior much better so you go back to your moggle and switch again. Now you are a LVL 10 warrior just as before. Nothing has chaged other then maybe haveing some new items and possiblly haveing improved some of your weapon/magic skills (though probably not in this case because of the jobs I uesd).

Also you only gain experience for your main job, meaning you have to switch your sub job to your main job in order to level your sub job up.

Dawn · 09-24-2003, 06:26 PM

Thank you guys for your input, it clarifies things a lot. Another question on the topic.

So lets say I go to 30 warrior. I then become a paladin sub warrior at Pal 1/War 1.

What happens to the hit points I had as a 30 warrior? They drop away?

kansas · 09-24-2003, 06:31 PM

You are correct. Check out this website and you can see what your stats will be with any combination of jobs at any level.

http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~nhart/Status_calculator.htm

John Doe III · 09-24-2003, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Dawn
Thank you guys for your input, it clarifies things a lot. Another question on the topic.

So lets say I go to 30 warrior. I then become a paladin sub warrior at Pal 1/War 1.

What happens to the hit points I had as a 30 warrior? They drop away?

No...Whenever you switch jobs all the stats, hit points, and everything related to the job (except equipment) are stored away intill you use it again. When you switch back to warrior your level will be 30 and your hit points will be the same as you left before you switched.

Nico Silius · 09-25-2003, 05:15 AM

Hmm, I want to make sure my perception on WS is correct for jobs/sub-jobs.

Lets say I play a Dark Knight up to, oh, level 60 with whatever the cap is at that level for Scythe. I also believe at that point I'd have Guillotine.

I then switch to BST as my main and make DRK my sub. BST can get a natural Scythe rating of C. Adding 1/2 of DRK's means I'll have about a rating of A- or A.

At a level 60 Scythe wielding BST with a level 30 DRK sub, will I gain access to Guillotine? Will my rating really be about A- to A? Do I even know what I'm talking about?

Any help vastly appreciated.

Chipmunk777 · 09-25-2003, 05:31 AM

it was my understanding that your skill with a particular type of weapon stayed with you; not your job. but, i could be horribly mistaken, as im oh so stupid :sweat: however, if i am correct, and you gained access to Guillotine with the drk, you should be able to use that with any job you have that can use a scythe; as long as you have a scythe equipped

Crow · 09-25-2003, 07:39 AM

Actually, I believe that weapon skill is totaly dependant on your main job. For instance, you get up to A ranking as DRK, but you switch to BST(with max scythe C), and your scythe skill goes down to C. If you switch back to DRK, it will go back to A. It just depends on the max skill for your main level. Of course, I could be totally wrong too, so feel free to correct me :sweat: .

kansas · 09-25-2003, 07:49 AM

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No...Whenever you switch jobs all the stats, hit points, and everything related to the job (except equipment) are stored away intill you use it again. When you switch back to warrior your level will be 30 and your hit points will be the same as you left before you switched.

John Doe is correct in that your warrior doesn't loose the hit points and that they are just stored away.

I thought you where asking if you will have less hit points as a Pal 1/War 1 then as a War 30. If that is the case a Pal 1/War 1 will have much less hit points then a War 30. Sorry if I confused you.

There is a few things I disagree with in your weapon skill analysis but I'll stay away from those because I might be wrong since I have no idea where that table rating weapons with an A to F rating came from. The only thing that I can say from experience is that you have a weapon skill cap that is based on your job. I started the game as a warrior with a 1H sword and got to level 12, with my 1H sword weapon skill somewhere around 30 (not maxed out). Then I decided to play with some magic so I switched to a red mage because it could use everything I already owned. When I switched my Red Mage was at LVL 1 but my 1H sword WS was maxed out somewhere around 15 (number are probably wrong but you get the point). Yes I did carry over WS but a Red Mage at lvl 1 has a lower cap then a warrior at lvl 12. I didn't ever come out of the WS cap until I was a LVL 13 or 14 RDM. That is all I know about WS so maybe somebody else can help you with those graded ratings.

Nico Silius · 09-26-2003, 09:14 AM

Hmm... anyone with some other advice? All that I'm certain about is the fact that unless you sub ranger you won't get access to some WS, so I know subs at least have something to do with it. Any other help?