[Balfree]

Real Money Trade

[Ziero]

Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

Problem is, S-E is seemingly useless at enforcing its own rules and as such RMT have no fear of reprisals. Hell, some of the recent changes implemented by S-E have made it even easier for them to ply their trade. Whereas before you could MPK serious offenders good old S-E came along and changed that. I'm waiting for Ziero to come rolling on in now and exclaim you can't prove these were RMT. Probably just a bunch of friends who're learning the game in their Dunes gear while being PL'd by some random stranger out of the kindness of his heart who has taken a break from camping Mee Deggi 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

So was there any reason to make things personal?

Seriously, the 'bad' changes SE made prevent you from getting MPKed by these 'bad people' too. It seems you're sad that you can't break any rule you want anymore, which is a good thing IMO. People who willingly MPKed others for whatever reason are just as bad, if not worse, then gil sellers. You're both breaking the rules and causing grief to other players so in the end there is no difference.

As for SE 'not doing their jobs', prices on *EVERYTHING* are the lowest they have been in YEARS. I don't know about you, but that tells me that SE did something right. Many of the new gear released acts as viable alternatives to older 'must have' gear and are far simpler to obtain. Many of these new items can even be obtained free of gil costs by using a small amount of effort. Things before last christmas were already bad, nearly twice as bad as things are now. Gil is also more expensive then ever before, for whatever reason. If these two trends continue then we won't see the horrid inflation we saw last year. And if that happens that means SE did do it's job.

You can't ever remove all RMT from an MMORPG. It just isn't possible, especially the way FFXI was built. But you can limit the desire for it through proper planning in terms of equipment and item availibility, two things SE has been taking full advantage of. So ignore these lil noob RMT, there's nothing in the rules about being a gimp and that's all they've seem to have done so far. They're a minor nussiance as of now as their affect on the economy has been severly hindered. As long as prices keep dropping, good gear is easy to obtain and large amounts of gil become harder to obtain then they will slowly die off.

But don't think for a second that you have *any* right whatsoever to go above and beyond the ToS when it suits your need. Doing that just means that you're no better then any RMT/botter/hacker.

[Balfree]

CUTE MODERATOR MESSAGE !!!!!!!!111111

That means you need to read it. k?


I dont know why i let this thread go on to be honest, RMT discussion has been repeated countless times, im not closing this or anything, but do not turn this into another one of those tiresome threads please.

[Herrisa]

Originally Posted by Balfree

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I dont know why i let this thread go on to be honest, RMT discussion has been repeated countless times, im not closing this or anything, but do not turn this into another one of those tiresome threads please.

That's because no one ever listens to my ideas about handling RMT.

I say, we give all players the /anvil command and do what this does. Just replace the rarib with suspected RMT. Heck, anyone in fact.

Suspected botters... /anvil

Suspected RMT groups... /anvil

Person who randomly AFKs unannounced in the middle of a chain... /anvil

A-hats, jerks, scrappings off the bottom of the gene pool... /anvil




P.S. Watch out... it's an addictive little thing... looks up at the sky.

[Balfree]

Yea, but then picture this situation:

You examine Dude#1
Dude#1 is in a bad mood.
Dude#1 : STOP EXAMINING ME NUB
You : sheesh, calm down
Dude#1 Shouts: You is a stupid examiner nub! AND I THINK HES RMT TOO
You : Wtf.
Dudes#10,93,25 Shout: lol/anvil
Dude#1 : /anvil You
You : WTF.
Dudes#friends of Dude#1 : /anvil You
------ Mordion Gaol --------
You : WTF
[GM]Lolsroyce : U = BAN
You : but...
[GM]Lolsroyce : {I dont speak any English}
You : Omg
[GM]Lolsroyce : {Good bye}

>_>..

basically, people would be using anvil just to get back at eachother, and i wouldnt want to live in that world.

[Herrisa]

/comfort Balfree

Smile Balfree... it's not meant to be taken seriously. But don't worry, I'll still respect you in the morning.

[Mog]

Whoa now! TMI!

[seq]

zoning HNM can't be proved as MPKing even by GMs, anyone can tell the GM that he's going to Altepa and agroed Guiver, zoned it to Cape. that can't be proven as MPKing because hmmmmmmmm everyone agro?
i managed to get myself into one of this BLM linkshells, it's full of BLMs lol with names like "ccccm" "Afnu" "ccoomm" etc..

[Miakis]

Originally Posted by seq

i managed to get myself into one of this BLM linkshells, it's full of BLMs lol with names like "ccccm" "Afnu" "ccoomm" etc..

Sounds pretty uuuh...special?

[Balfree]

I think it is time i did this:

\o/

[Altae]

"They're just players with more time to play than you.."

This constant remark being made over and over is starting to get annoying. Just think about it, Players pay RMT sites for game support. Things like PLing, gil, items, accounts, etc. Then RMT pays SE for the enormous amount of characters/accounts they are using. Is SE in some sort of financial crises? Is FFXI a game anymore? You can't take a coin and say it's a flat head screwdriver. That's not what a coin is designed for. But a person could avoid paying $5.99 for a real screwdriver and pay only 5 cents for a nickle...

Although, a matter of that degree is of minor concern to the larger world. But for something like FFXI, that's of notable concern. SE should be immersed in far more monthly fees income than originally planned. So, why not reduce the monthly fees? Oh wait, you wouldn't ever -want- to so long as it's making you filthy rich, right?

Though everyone says there isn't anything wrong with what's going on, that makes it okay to disregard ethical issues? Just look at the FFXI user agreement on their official website. They forbid gambling but people in-game on all servers are doing it anyway. No one ever complains about it and no one ever cares to make a sound or report it. The player(s) involved go untouched by SE law.

But, when RMT PTs, players, groups come out... people suddenly speak up. Suddenly there's a voice that needs to be heard. But wait, there's nothing in the user agreement specifiying some forbading or proceedure in handling this. You also don't have proof they are using those characters to sell game money for real money. Now what? FFXI community is willing to accept gambling but not this?

[Murasame]

Originally Posted by Murphie

Sometimes my paranoia kicks in, and I wonder if they are trying to take over every server. Like some sort of invasion of the body snatchers. I swear, if I see my model running around, I turn around and walk the other way. I'm just saying.

I don't know what server Shippo is on, but there is a Reboon in an I'm in LS on Ramuh. I've had my suspicions about him since he is always /anon and always in a PT and almost always in Kuftal, and never says a word or responds to anyone. To the point where its a joke that Reboon will never talk to you. I will have to talk to some sackholders...

[Auron517]

Originally Posted by Altae

But, when RMT PTs, players, groups come out... people suddenly speak up. Suddenly there's a voice that needs to be heard. But wait, there's nothing in the user agreement specifiying some forbading or proceedure in handling this. You also don't have proof they are using those characters to sell game money for real money. Now what? FFXI community is willing to accept gambling but not this?

I assume by gambling, you mean people running casinos in Jeuno? Gambling and RMT are in different leagues entirely. The reason no one ever mentions gambling is that it's pretty much a non-issue. It only affects individuals who are idiotic enough to trade all their gil to the casino runners.

Casinos are pretty much dead now anyways, but even if a stray one pops up, it's as easy as blisting them and moving on. Unfortunately, as we all know, RMT affects all of us in a major way, and isn't as easily vanquished.