Darwin award goes too. . . .

[little ninja]

machts idea was good i will give him that. but the flaw is that you are asking players. some hardcore an some not to sacrifice there gaming time to try an stop a 24/7 operation. im sorry but thats impossible. one reason is im only on for around 2-3 hours most nights. but its just not i. its alot of players. why should i give up a 95% of my time to play the game, trying to stop gil sellers. just for me to log, an them keep at it. the other problem is they camp many things. zi tah, gustav, kuftal. an so on. its next to impossible to keep all locations under extreme pressure, an for what, as soon as we log to go to bed. guess what. there still there. third problem in doing so thins no longer becomes a game to relax me. this becomes a second job. i mean i already work 40-60 hours a week. an now you want me to police gil sellers for another 14 hours a week..

the reason why we bring in our lvl vs your lvl is for the simple reason, that players think they have a good idea of what really goes on during an hnm run/god run. why because thats what they've read. not many have exp'ed getting amemet to 1/4 of its health with only 3 guys, to see have of kuftal tunnel comming down on your ass. they havent felt that kinda frustration. an they havent lost that kind of gil profit. they havent seen 2 guys take your claim when it was half dead an called for help, and your there left helpless, as you an your alliance gets slaughtered. sure we can write about it all the time, but until your there, an your dealing with what exactly some of us are dealing with. you dont really have alot to comment on. so why do we bring it up, cause we have morons, who say simply, "work around it".

gil sellers are 75, they camp hnms, nms, regular mobs, an ive even seen them running around in sky. yeah they banned together cause they work together, an yeah they will always be 1 step above us. cause there 24/7 player operated. while people like myself are 3 hour operated. an buy your last post you are obviously just another low lvl who thinks they know whats going on...

[yuukei]

Originally posted by Nodachi
How dare you make such a generalization. And who are you to do so?

I'm making the same kinds of generalizations that high level players make towards low level players and my words are based solely upon the reactions posted in the thread and the type of remarks you get from a lot of high level players when stuff like this comes up. I don't have to answer to you or anyone else. Why not go after the people generalizing other things? About certain classes and low levels and so on. My remark was directly solely towards those who complain yet come up with excuses for not doing anything or who don't want to do anything about the issue at hand. That pisses me off more than anything else. And I did it in that way to get my point across. You don't have to include yourself in that group if indeed you aren't. I'm not so blind as to think that there aren't people who care. I spoke my words in a heated fashion, but these are my opinions and I'll speak them as I see fit, whether you approve of it or not. I'll challenge some other person's opinion if I think I need to, but never will I say that they don't have a right to voice their opinion. I'd like to know who you think you are in that respect.

Having at least have said that I will acknowledge that there may be some people out there that care about the community and their server and etc.

As for sympathizing with gilsellers. As I said before the majority of people do not do so. No one is saying the gilsellers are right. Don't sit there and try to twist "you're wrong for doing that" into "you support gilsellers". I simply don't see the point in celebrating because you performed the same kinds of horrible acts a gilseller would. And hell I'm not even saying that you shouldn't stand up for yourself and do what you want to against whatever gilseller jumps on you. If I got pissed off enough I might even do the same thing. But it's not a cause for celebration. Both acts are stupid. Stealing is stealing. MPK is MPK. Whether it's for revenge or for making sure your LS reputation is clean, none of it is something to celebrate about. And it sure as hell isn't a step towards solving a problem. If you guys want to solve your problems, giving people whom you might think are gilsellers grief is just going to cause more trouble. You should try to work together instead. I stand by that and will continue to stand by that one point.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by yuukei
Why not go after the people generalizing other things? About certain classes and low levels and so on.

Who's to say i don't? lol.

Good response though, you stuck with your argument and backed it nicely.

As for my comment about those who hold sympathy for the gilsellers. It came mainly from the first few posts following the OP. I agree as well that this isn't somthing we should post and ooh/ahh/praise about, but at the same time it disgusts me when people back the gilsellers. They are, by deffinition, criminals. They bring nothing beneficial to the game and ruin both the economy and mentality of some players.

[yuukei]

Originally posted by little ninja
an buy your last post you are obviously just another low lvl who thinks they know whats going on...

I've played this game since the NA release in Nov a very long time ago so I know quite a bit about what's going on.

Listen, I'm done arguing with you guys about this. Honestly I don't want to argue with you. I see the need to work together as a community. I used some harsh words but I used them for a purpose. Yes I believe that we can do something about things IF we really want to. Yes I believe that there are those that actually care about what's going with the way the economies are getting screwed up and the way players are getting trashed. I chose my words because people need to take note. People NEED to get together and do things as a community and work together. Don't say it's impossible because it isn't. Macht's idea was pretty flexible. You wuoldn't be doing it 2-3 hours every night. But his idea is only feasible if we can get people to listen. Hell nothing is ever going to change at all unless we get people to listen. Without that you're just complaining to hear yourselves talk. I stand by the fact that if you're not willing to make the effort and put in the the time needed then you really just don't care enough. I'm sorry but I firmly believe that.

So what if I'm lower than you? Do you honestly think that makes a difference in the grand scheme of things? Do you think that because you're a high level that this is a high level only problem and that you're the only ones that can deal with it? Why would you feel this way? The largest base of users are mid-low levels aren't they? Aren't they going to become high levels eventually? Do you think I'll be a lower level forever? Why do you want to create some kind of rift between you and lower players? If you want to make a difference, you NEED them. We can't afford to be dividing ourselves like this. Little Ninja, I empathize with all the frustration and hardships and disappointments you guys are having, honestly I do. But no one is doing anything about it. If you really think I don't know what's going on then dammit work with me. Work with everyone else. Work together. Because the way things are going now it's only going to get worse. And yeah actions like stealing from other people is a big part of making things worse. Someone is going to get caught in the crossfire. People are not going to be able to trust one another. And the gilsellers will gain even more and more ground. And no one seems to care about that.

I'm done.

[Axil]

Originally posted by yuukei
I've played this game since the NA release in Nov a very long time ago so I know quite a bit about what's going on.

Listen, I'm done arguing with you guys about this. Honestly I don't want to argue with you. I see the need to work together as a community. I used some harsh words but I used them for a purpose. Yes I believe that we can do something about things IF we really want to. Yes I believe that there are those that actually care about what's going with the way the economies are getting screwed up and the way players are getting trashed. I chose my words because people need to take note. People NEED to get together and do things as a community and work together. Don't say it's impossible because it isn't. Macht's idea was pretty flexible. You wuoldn't be doing it 2-3 hours every night. But his idea is only feasible if we can get people to listen. Hell nothing is ever going to change at all unless we get people to listen. Without that you're just complaining to hear yourselves talk. I stand by the fact that if you're not willing to make the effort and put in the the time needed then you really just don't care enough. I'm sorry but I firmly believe that.

So what if I'm lower than you? Do you honestly think that makes a difference in the grand scheme of things? Do you think that because you're a high level that this is a high level only problem and that you're the only ones that can deal with it? Why would you feel this way? The largest base of users are mid-low levels aren't they? Aren't they going to become high levels eventually? Do you think I'll be a lower level forever? Why do you want to create some kind of rift between you and lower players? If you want to make a difference, you NEED them. We can't afford to be dividing ourselves like this. Little Ninja, I empathize with all the frustration and hardships and disappointments you guys are having, honestly I do. But no one is doing anything about it. If you really think I don't know what's going on then dammit work with me. Work with everyone else. Work together. Because the way things are going now it's only going to get worse. And yeah actions like stealing from other people is a big part of making things worse. Someone is going to get caught in the crossfire. People are not going to be able to trust one another. And the gilsellers will gain even more and more ground. And no one seems to care about that.

I'm done.

well said.

[Ivadell]

I can't wait until people who play this game for profit outnumber the people who play this game for the sheer pleasure.

Yuukei, to let you know I think people who have not experienced things such as having NM's stolen mid fight and being MPK'd, generally have a one-sided view on this matter, i'm sorry if this seems closed-minded but, these aren't The Golden Bat or V emp being taken, alot of people, not just one, have put their hard earned effort into winning claims, and having them taken by people that don't deserve it. So i am better than those "lowbies" why? Because I've experienced all this first hand. Reading how to kill a God on the net is nothing remotely compared to doing in game. And you would be surprised to know that alot of low level char's don't know as much as you think. Regardless of your opinion, you are not going to justify your thoughts to me, I have learned the hard way how to handle these matters in my own hands. And I am completely truthful to people asking for advice/help whatever, GM's are completely worthless, and these certain people will attempt to kill you to get what you have. I have played numerous other MMORPG, and this one by far is the worst, I have found other intrest's now instead of this game, and I have no problem steering people away from being let down by this game. If i was one of those "i'll figure it out on my own type of people" I would be one salty motherfucker when I actually got somewhere in this game just to find out it's all a load of crap.

Ok so I have one more thing to say then I will never post on this matter again.
- All of you nieve players who think you can change the game with respect, courtesy, rainbows, and smiles. Have fun and good luck with that, wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

[Macht]

Well said yuukei.

Little Ninja, observing level is the most horrid way to judge someone's knowledge. Especially if they are an observer like I am. I know for a fact that you don't know I've actually watched event like you described in the Amemet and King Behemoth.

I've been to many of these zone since lv. 50. I've blown over 200k in powder prysms and silent oils, just to reach those zones and see what it's like. I've even saw a BST hunting Amemet and minutes later the area getting flooded with monsters, I think I actually died on that one.

I observe how everything goes high level areas and low. The way people hunt and interact with monsters like Hoo Mjuu the Torrent is exactly what you'll see happen with Amemet. No player is willing anymore to heal or assist from the side a player that's gotten claim on a NM, the HNMs unfortunatly in refference to how they use to be for a scale of measure I only have what there is to be read.

By the time I was able to really seen an HNM fight it seemed to match very well with the trouble and problems I've seen described as of late. That method I came up I did it with my own time availablity in mind, I as well would not want to have to be in a zone manning it every time every day. Which is why what I had put required so many people and yet still the requirement is low enough that it's under 50% of the size of every server's population I've heard of.

Even further the amount of players it would take to just man an area to prevent what would be considered bad actions at any given point of time would be (going with manning 10 areas again) 60 people. In a server were you can have 3000 people at any given time that means you are only having 2% of players actually active to pevent bad actions from happening.

On my worst week I spend a total of only 18hrs, 2 hrs weekdays and 4hrs weekends. So spending only 1.5 hrs a week is only 8% of my time, that to me seems very meager almost nothing. Of course this is still all only preliminary work because of player unwilling to even give it a chance, aka closeminded. It definatly isn't planned to a point that will be an absolute solution and would need adjustment, but what adjustments is impossible to say without being able to properly apply the idea.

I am aware that if a player was present manning the area that for things like HNMs it may be met with some aggression simply because the state of how everythings gotten the group hunting the HNM would think that the person's trying to steal the HNM from them. That's how badly paranoid it's gotten that an act of good faith could be misconstrued as an attack.

Just an FYI if someone is going to call someone closeminded or openminded again, here's definitions of both so we are clear on it:

close-mind·ed adj.

Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.

o·pen-mind·ed adj.

Having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others. See Synonyms at broad-minded.

broad-mind·ed adj.

Having or characterized by tolerant or liberal views.

Now I don't think close-minded fits me. Since I am offering a new idea. Close-minded is someone taking the idea and instead of really trying to work with it and find how to adapt it to work better they immediatly disapprove it. Now close-minded does fit a particular person here but it sure is not me.

[yuukei]

Originally posted by Ivadell
.....Ok so I have one more thing to say then I will never post on this matter again.
- All of you nieve players who think you can change the game with respect, courtesy, rainbows, and smiles. Have fun and good luck with that, wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

I know I said I was done with this but I guess I'm not. I'm not asking for rainbows. I'm asking for action. I'm not asking you to treat gilsellers with respect. I'm asking you to behave like a community.

I'm not saying GMs are the answer. I'm not saying people aren't going to try to kill you for what you have. I'm saying that if you team up, just like they do, you have a better chance of succeeding. And I'm also saying that if you DON'T team up, if you give up on the game and you don't wanna fight them in a way that will actually do some real good, well then those who play this game for profit WILL outnumber the people who play this game for sheer pleasure. And that's for certain. And no amount of stealing from gillsellers or mpking them is gonna change that. All that's gonna do is cause problems between innocent players.

And wtf is hard to understand about people who spend all of their time and effort killing placeholders, and fighting to get an NM down to 5% of its health only to get mpked and their mob stolen? What's not to understand about people going to an area just to get some exp, only to be killed by gilsellers because they don't want them around their spawn points? I mean come on, do you really expect people to be so stupid as to not know how difficult and horrible and frustrating an experience that might be? Dammit if you could see the faces I'm making right now as I'm actually sitting here taking in what you're basically saying. It's all I can do to keep myself from blatantly flaming you at the moment. Do you think that a person is really that stupid? I mean I know the human race in general isn't very bright but come on, that's just BS. If I can see how horrible it is when real world actions like wars and death and babies dying and rape and all sorts of evil shit happens then I can very well understand that it's bad shit when someone mpks you repeatedly after almost a full day's worth of work trying to get an HNM. It's BS for you to sit there and claim you're better than me because I haven't experienced that crap first hand. You're basically just calling me retarded and incapable of understanding what's going on around me.

I don't even have any more words for this. I'm officially disgusted.

[Ivadell]

You're basically just calling me retarded and incapable of understanding what's going on around me.

Take that how you want. But yea I think maybe you would have a different mindset on this matter if this was an everyday occurance. And also flame me all you want, thats seems to me like it would alittle more intresting to read than what you've posted earlier. If I wanted to be lectured, i would go watch Dr. Phil.

[yuukei]

Originally posted by Ivadell
Take that how you want. But yea I think maybe you would have a different mindset on this matter if this was an everyday occurance. And also flame me all you want, thats seems to me like it would alittle more intresting to read than what you've posted earlier. If I wanted to be lectured, i would go watch Dr. Phil.

Then it's better if you go off and watch Dr. Phil because it's obvious you don't really want to do anything about the problem and you're just looking for praise and attention. And if that's the case then that's fine. You're welcome to go and search for that all you want.

[Ivadell]

seeing as how I'm not the one in the photos, i'm not really looking for shit. I made this post, because it's friggin hilarious. that's it. I didn't even think it would go this far, but hey if you guys want to drag it on, then by all means keep going, I can keep posting random bullshit as long as you can make excuses not to think this is funny. Thats all guys. also thanks for the educational post on adjectives, next time I'll just resort to calling you a dirty fist-fucker.

[Fire]

Lol

[little ninja]

Originally posted by yuukei
Then it's better if you go off and watch Dr. Phil because it's obvious you don't really want to do anything about the problem and you're just looking for praise and attention. And if that's the case then that's fine. You're welcome to go and search for that all you want.

an how do we go about solving the problem. machts idea, while it is valid. has alot of holes. how can you police an area, when gil sellers send 100+ mobs after the claimers of amemet, or aquarius. without sending around 60+ to help out. because honestly you cant. how would machts ideas work in hnm. once again youd need a vast amount of players to prevent the mpks, an even then how can you stop them from stealing a mob who went unclaimed because of that bullshit an called for help.

one of my last hnms was serket. we were all there an we lost the claim. so we sat around hoping for a d/c. or major deaths. when all of a sudden the gil selling ls came in with a shit load of mobs. so frustrated with it as i was. voked the mobs an started killing them as fast as they tried to bring it. ( mnks pawned bones all day long) everyone who was still there that was after serket jumped in to save the ls out.

the saddest part about all of this is the simple fact that it just isnt gil sellers. its other players as well. they are just as bad if not worse then what the gil sellers ever did. mobs are still held for hours apon hours. mobs are still claimed an called for help on while the other pt gets wiped out. nm's an hnms are still being monoplized. were still being mpked.

S.E just doesnt care. they are allowing this to take place at every nm, an hnm. because if they were to act. theyed be losing a ton of income from the players, an a cut of the profit ige makes. i have no faith in S.E anymore, an once im done with FFXI. i will never touch a S.E online game again.

sorry to tell you all this. BUT THE INMATES ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM.....

[Ivadell]

sorry to tell you all this. BUT THE INMATES ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM.....

lol going in a sig.