[StarRaven]

Go Go Mithra

They deserve a lot worse for what they have put a lot of other players through. I'm so sick and tired of all these gil sellers :mad:

[yuukei]

Originally posted by Decland
thats the problem with this game, too many pasifistic pussies.

GMs wont do shit about Gil sellers, we have to take matters into our own hands.

If u have a chance to screw over a gil seller/s DO IT! These Chinese/Japanese pricks need to be stopped.

These people who posted in support of them, write there name down, find them in game, givem hell. Theres no room for whiney little pacifistic nerds who aint had pussy since pussy had them.

loooooooooooool

No one is posting in support of gillsellers. If you were actually reading the responses you'd know that.

The problem is that people are thinking that parading around whatever bad deeds they've done to a gil seller is worth parading about. It's not. Someone did some evil shit to you and you did some evil shit to them. But let's not be idiots and actually believe that it was done for the "good of the community". He wanted to take care of the reputation of his LS. He did so. It was a selfish act and he could give two shits about any of you and what any gilseller has done to anyone else.

No one seems to care about the kind of problems this could lead to. People mistakenly doing this kind of stuff to other people who aren't gilsellers. You wanna call me a pacifistic pussy? If you ever did this to an innocent person I'd call you a self righteous warmonger and label you just as bad as any gilseller that did these things.

Macht had a good idea about people getting together and actually working together to get things done. If you guys don't want to get together to do things the right way...if you'd rather just go off and do the same things that the very people you hate are doing, things that you already see as wrong and look down upon, then you're no better than the people you hate, and you're just being hypocrites. Deal with it.

(Edited because I got carried away.)

[Macht]

Originally posted by Ivadell
ok but how many mobs down where Argus is can be used to MPK someone. Ok I see that you are a ranger, when the day comes for you to get you a nice pair of Crimson Gauntlets, but your LS is having a really hard time because Gil Sellers are monopolizing the trigger NM's, refer back to this post.

Heh, picked the wrong person to put such a challenge against. As for mobs killing me down there, apparently you don't know the tricks to transfering hate it's quite possible for a person to put a good army of wights on someone and get them killed.

Wights still kicked me around pretty good down there if they got to get the hate changed on to me. Which even then if I beat them I was out for a decent amount of time that someone could get argus and I couldn't do a thing about it.

Well see though, I'm sure I may be annoyed with it but I will never once resort to such a level. That's a definate promise.

EDIT:

Thanks for the post yuukei, I agree with you on what you said. I've actually tried 8 times to get a group started on my server to setup preventative measures to stop gilsellers but every time it failed, I was constantly running into people who'd complain but when I offered them a chance to participate in making a positive effort against it. Well just guess what the response was, "I don't have the time, what's fun about that?".

People complain about gilsellers messing up their fun, they given an option to try and correct this so they can have more fun in a positive aspect and yet they refuse :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Tallonx]

Originally posted by Decland
thats the problem with this game, too many pasifistic pussies.

GMs wont do shit about Gil sellers, we have to take matters into our own hands.

If u have a chance to screw over a gil seller/s DO IT! These Chinese/Japanese pricks need to be stopped.

These people who posted in support of them, write there name down, find them in game, givem hell. Theres no room for whiney little pacifistic nerds who aint had pussy since pussy had them.

loooooooooooool

Allright, My feelings about gilsellers are about the same as the rest of you, I don't like them, I don't like that they steal my NM's, i don't like that they steal my Coffers, I don't like that they steal my gil, so why in the world, if we don't like them from stealing from us, would we steal from them? I understand what you're doing, and i'm sure ur server is different from ours, but that would kinda make me mad on both ends.

And as for the quote, You say Japanese/Chinese like their the only ones doing it, and I onno, maybe ur server is different from ours, but there are plenty if not more American gil sellers than chinese or Japanese.... I've infact never seen a japanese gil seller, you can say, that its because i'm lvl 47 and blah blah blah, well i've been p laying this game for as long as I can remember, and i know it like the back of my hand, so i know whats going on, don't use my level as an excuse to flame me >.<

/sigh <3 all FFXI players

[Xyphere]

If a gil seller had a Scorpion Harness or anything of that calibur signed by me, I would have done the same fucking thing. I sure as hell wouldn't want some gil seller wearing gear created by me, so I say good job.

I can't believe some of you are defending them... apparently you don't realize how bad the gil sellers' take over is getting, or you're just oblivious to all the shit they've pulled.

[DakAttack]

I don't see anything stating he recieved the traded harness or that it was signed.

[yuukei]

And I sure as hell don't see anything about people defending gilsellers. NOONE is saying the gilsellers are right. If anything they are saying that YOU are just as bad as THEM for pulling stupid shit. And that pulling stupid shit like that is only going to cause MORE problems. It's NOT going to make anything better. If anything some innocent is going to get caught in the middle of it or worse. You people need to get a clue and take note of the history of the world all the way up to the present day.

Responding to bad acts with more bad acts never did anyone any good. When some crafter steals your scorpion harness from you because they thought you were a gilseller and desynths the damn thing in front of you like someone suggested then you'll see what I mean. And when that happens I'll laugh at you. Because you deserved it.

(Edit) It's called Karma, and the more gilseller-like acts you pull on people the more gilseller-like karma you build up.

[Sindinista]

That's hilarious! XD

[Ivadell]

Ok I understand the whole "united front", and "join together and defeat them with love" thing you guys want to see. But the simple reality of this is, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. This game is just like real life, sure it would be easier if all the people in the US would realize that drinking and driving is a morally wrong thing to do, but does that stop them? Nope. It is human nature to want to act on your own and follow your own course in life. This individual acted knowing completely the repercutions of his actions, and yet he still did it. Why? I think that it was because as a crafter there is a sense of pride when you make a item of that calliber and have your name on it, just to see a retard running around with that item MPKing people trying to better themsleves. If the harness wasn't one of his signed ones, I know for a fact that he could of cared less about this RMT having it. That harness went to someone in the LS that has been working long and hard to get one, and that honestly deserves it.

That all being I'd like extend the offer for all of the people who posted negatively against him to render a solution about how to deal properly with someone MPKing you just so they turn around and sell it. I ask one small request though. That when coming up with a possible solution, please think with common sense, and rational. Otherwise I won't even bother to accept your proposal as worthy. Like I said in my earlier post if it was me who was doing this, i would have desynth'd the damn thing right infront of him. And maybe would have sunk to thier level and dragged some Raptors and Gobbies over to him as well, yea I know that is childish, but I have a job at 75 i've done end game shit, and tbh i'm super bored. And seeing this idiots squirm and having to work twice as hard to earn a living make my heart smile

[little ninja]

Originally posted by Macht
Heh, picked the wrong person to put such a challenge against. As for mobs killing me down there, apparently you don't know the tricks to transfering hate it's quite possible for a person to put a good army of wights on someone and get them killed.

Wights still kicked me around pretty good down there if they got to get the hate changed on to me. Which even then if I beat them I was out for a decent amount of time that someone could get argus and I couldn't do a thing about it.

Well see though, I'm sure I may be annoyed with it but I will never once resort to such a level. That's a definate promise.

EDIT:

Thanks for the post yuukei, I agree with you on what you said. I've actually tried 8 times to get a group started on my server to setup preventative measures to stop gilsellers but every time it failed, I was constantly running into people who'd complain but when I offered them a chance to participate in making a positive effort against it. Well just guess what the response was, "I don't have the time, what's fun about that?".

People complain about gilsellers messing up their fun, they given an option to try and correct this so they can have more fun in a positive aspect and yet they refuse :confused: :confused: :confused:

yeah there are numerous ways to transfer the hate. if i remember correctly, our rng did shadowbind to a crawler, an a thf near it got wacked a few times. then when it went unbound it went after the thf. bind from a mage works in the same sort of way.. an once i had a mob purple chasing me around for about 10 mins once while i was camping lizzy.. odd to cause i was afk for 10 min an never ingaged anything.. i came back to see thing thing trying to hit my ninja...

an thing is once you do it to one mob, if other link, so starts the carnage.. i aggree we must do something, but there isnt much of an option for us. yeah we can go to a camp like macht says... but can we keep this up 24/7 the way the gil sellers do no,, nor do i think doing it one or 2 days a week will effect them any. yeah we can go fuck with them in the amemet camp.. but what do we do about the other 10 camps?

"eye for an eye", or "spare not the rod from the wicked" say what you want. S.E wont do anything. if more the 50 people all claim gogoiblow has mpked them. then S.E seriously needs to keep a track on them. witness it first hand. bann them an anything related to the account of the card thats purchasing it..

[Siber]

Maybe I missed it in all the arguing, but what exactly is so wrong about a gilseller wearing an item signed by you? In no way does it make you less of a man or anything, and it would have to take a rather large fool to say "Wow.. a Gilseller is wearing that guy's named item; it's obvious that guy supports gilsellers in everything they do! He must help them MPK people too!" Bullshit, I say. You're just looking for an excuse to try to hurt them in some way.

Also, I think most of us need to step back and remember something: it's a game. Just a game; nothing more, nothing less. Entertainment is its purpose. I know most of us have invested a lot of time (and I also know many of us have spent too much time, I know I have) into the game, but that still doesn't make it more like real life, does it? So simmer down. Have the gilsellers really made the game less fun? Okay, so you may have to farm in less efficient places to get gil, so take a friend and have a good time, or take a large group of friends and just dick around the whole time. I don't know, the way I see it, MPK attempts are just another challenge to overcome that make the game just that much more interesting. Yes, death is a rather large frustration, but when you beat the MPK attempt, it's one hell of an accomplishment. But I digress.

Ivadell, how can you ask for people to come up with a logical and rational solution based on common sense when your solution is neither logical nor rational itself. You don't seem to like the idea of the gilsellers "better[ing] themselves," but can you honestly say that no one else in this game has the exact same motive? Yes, there are the people who will be like "You need help with G1 paper? Sure, why not!" and they know they'll never see the level 50 character again, but most everything in this game is done in order to better yourself. I know that what the gil sellers do is wrong, and I hate them for it, but are you honestly going to hold it against them that they want to help themselves when it is very much so human nature to be selfish (arguable, yes, but from my experience this seems to be the case). I in no way condone monopolization for gilselling purposes (gilselling itself I'm fine with, just not in the manner that the stereotypcal gilseller does it), but hell, there are players in game who MPK as well, but very little stink is made about them because they're not also an evil gil seller.

[Macht]

If there really are so many that want to make such a change then with 100 could effect 1 area with each member spending only 1.5 hrs of their time with just a single person each of the 1.5hrs breakdown each week. Then with 6 again can effect an with that 6 only spending 1.5hrs, but with areas that like a lv. 75 would need 6 to control like that generally don't seem to be as big a need for them to always be a pressence there.

So they could spend 1.5 hrs there then give 2-3 reprieve and another group spend 1.5 hrs there just focusing on preventing gil sellers from doing an action that can harms others.

Preventing something like for example Argus, since it's spawn is like 12-24 hrs. have rounds going every 3-6 hrs spending just 1.5 hrs there and it would definatly reduce the chances of someone trying to link hate. If you break it down like that then in 1 week to protect that area with 1 person spending 1.5 hrs 1 time a week then you'd only need 28-56 people.

For simplicity sake well say the monitor times being 12:00, 3:00, 6:00, 9:00 (For this one needing 56 people). It doesn't mean it'll prevent any wrong doing from occuring but it does mean that there are 84 hrs each week were it's less likely. This with each person only spending 1.5 hrs and only 1 time each week picking 1 of 6 hrs time.

Get another 56 or 28 and you can guard another area. Not every single area has to be guarded either, just the apparently obvious ones were these actions can cause the most problems. Even then only has to have someone there willingly spending time either killing monsters in the area or assisting some who does happen to get a train on them.

I could try to figure out the manpower and all to ideally cover what's needed each week to prevent trouble in various areas, just I don't have the time as I'm writing this post. I can only get the general idea of it mentioned right now. Most I'd imagine would be needed is around 28-168 people per vital area (So for 10 areas about 280-1680) to give it some preventative measures.

Unless over 50% of the server is gil sellers or people in support of them, then you should have enough players always present that could take part in this. Again only having to spend 1.5 hrs a week, which I'm sure everyone playing FFXI has to play more then 1.5 hrs so that time should be nearly nothing for them in a year it's 79.5 hrs spent.

Of course as your reach lv. 75 the number of people that could assist to do such measures gets less. With those areas the best you can probably do is prevent a death or if you can identify who the target of the train is warn so they can zone, or if possible sneak/invis them so it ruins the MPK success rate.

Don't know about anyone else but I've noticed I can see pretty well when something bad like an MPK is about to happen my I'm just sitting there watching the players, but when you are the one fighting the camera fixing on the mob makes it a bit tough to see what's going on around you so someone just being present to see I'd think would be a good assist.

Like I already said though, no one seems to really care to be able to make these setups. You could even break it down by LSs, have defenders by LS and that LS just defends 1 area having a single or party protecting it for just 1.5 hrs depending on the area and protection/assistance that can be provided or is needed.

[Fockr]

Just because gil sellers camp HNMs doesn't mean anything. Especially that they arent legit players. These gil sellers just play more than we do and if they get claim on HNM, well they deserve it.
Why would you steal their harness anyway? You need to grow up and work around it. Just because they are now claiming shit you want doesn't mean they're bad people. Just try to beat them to it if you can next time and maybe then you won't have to lower yourself to the level where you're stealing from them.

[Xyphere]

Originally posted by Impaction
I don't see anything stating he recieved the traded harness or that it was signed.

Well our LS guy caught wind that the RMT has one of his signed harnesses

Thank you...

[Macht]

Still point is it's words without much backing proof of it. None of the photo's shows evidence of the gear that guy had being what that person had created. All it depicts is someone stealing a good quality item from another with a written backing story to it that may or may not be true.

The closest I can see is that the other player was asking this crafter for a +1 version. Nothing about what the guy already had being something the other crafter made, out of spite or feeling insulted that this guy would make a request to him he decides to agree to just steal the equipment?

That disturbs me because like I had already said I was accused once of being a gil seller because of the time spent in Maze of Shakrami making money in the past. So now if this crap catches on how am I to trust a crafter to make me something and not run off with it because some people still thinking I might be a gilseller. It just hurts a business practice that's more reputable and actually encouraged in the game.