[Raydeus]

Originally Posted by Tickmeoff

As much as I dislike Raydeus

I'm hurt!





Although you have to consider XIV was originally planned as an XI upgrade, but then became it's own project. So having a similar (if not pretty much the same) world was pretty much a given.

What I think is silly is for SE to use different race names, because recylcing the elements that work (and their names) is a trademark of the series. But if that's enough to convince some players this world isn't Vana HD remix then so be it.


(I will of course keep referring to them with XI names anyway )

[Armando]

Generic landscapes are generic.

Not that you don't have a point, Tickmeoff, but what sort of landscape does FFXI not have? Desert? Altepa. Petrified forest? Zi'Tah. Normal forest? Ronfaure. Caves? Shakhrami, Onzozo. Beaches? Valkurm, Terrigan. Sandy caves? Got those too. Plains? Got 'em. Canyons? Wastelands? Snowy fields? Ancient ruins? Tropical Jungles? Small island paradise? Volcanoes? Ship Graveyards? Check, check, check. Obviously if you want to draw parallels to FFXI you'll succeed because it covers practically all natural landscapes and some generic RPG staples like a floating island in the sky too.

It's like accusing the Swordsman class of being an HD recycling. The concept of a class wearing full plate armor and swinging a sword has been recycled a million times.

The architecture of buildings appears to have a fairly different style from that seen in XI's, so at least we have a departure there. They appear to be avoiding XI's jobs, so there's another departure there. Sure, the races are the same but Yoshida's armor designs are different. The Swordsman job sported a more realistic-looking and closer-fitting armor than FFXI's Cuirasses (Iron Musketeer's, Adaman, etc.) Then there's those FFXII-ish flying machines.

[BurningPanther]

Originally Posted by Raydeus

because recylcing the elements that work (and their names) is a trademark of the series.

All you need is Cid, airships, chocobos, and a reference to some crystalline object, and you've got the trademark elements covered.

Everything else is fair game.

[Takelli]

Yea. Cid HAS to be in this FF game other wise it wont be FF with out him. Cid has been in every FF game, and with out him, ther wont be a Cid, or any airships for that matter. Chocobos, are a must to have though, and some sort of crystal as well. Even if it doesn't have much of any signifigance, it has to have it.

[jenova_9]

Cid was not in FF1. It's been a while, but I don't think he was in FFII either, maybe FFIII if I recall. was he in FFVI? hmm anyways FF1 proves a FF doesn't need to Cid. it's nice bonus nostalgia, but not vital. :p

Originally Posted by Tickmeoff

I have to agree with him here. All I see so far as FFXI HD Remix.

I'm not trying to speak to the quality of the game here, it might be fuckwin amazing awesome and garner 80 million subscribers and put Blizzavision out of business.

But these HD recyclings sure as fuck aren't accomplishing their intended purpose of making me excited and hyped up and wanting to buy the game day 1. They're having the opposite effect and I find myself caring less and less about this game the more they reveal new info about it.

this is not HD recyclings. look at the textures, and effects we can see and can't see that enhance the quality of the enviornments. This is all running on a brand new engine. Visual technology that didn't even exist in XI.

You can play FFXI on the best PC specs and the best HDTV out there, and it would still look like a game that was made almost
10 years ago compared to FFXIV. It's like trying to compare FFVIII graphics with FFXII

[Yellow Mage]

Originally Posted by jenova_9

Cid was not in FF1.

Yeah he was.

Actually, he was pretty much dead by the time the game starts.

Like, long before.

As in, Ancient Civilization long before.

Cid was one of the Lefein people, and the NPCs there mention him as the inventor hero that launched their race in to a golden age of castles in the sky in the first place (shame that Tiamat had to kick them out, though).

In other words, you know that airship that was buried in that desert? It wouldn't have existed at all had it not been for Cid. Hmmm. Airship inventor Cid. That sounds like almost every other Cid in the dang series.

I can't speak for FFII, but I'm pretty sure that being acquainted with Cid is one of the first things you do in FFIII, as well.

You would have had a better argument had you mentioned FFI's lack of chocobos, a staple that just about every single other FF game since has not failed to provide at least some sort of hint of.

[Armando]

FF1 is the only one that didn't have Cid, but FF1 sucks anyways. EDIT: Disregard, I guess FF1 had a Cid after all.

By your logic FF games don't need Chocobos either since FF1 didn't have them if I remember correctly.

[Raydeus]

Originally Posted by jenova_9

this is not HD recyclings. look at the textures, and effects we can see and can't see that enhance the quality of the enviornments. This is all running on a brand new engine. Visual technology that didn't even exist in XI.

You can play FFXI on the best PC specs and the best HDTV out there, and it would still look like a game that was made almost
10 years ago compared to FFXIV. It's like trying to compare FFVIII graphics with FFXII

That's not what he was referring to when he said recyclings though.

They are of course newly built models created to work with next gen hardware. But that doesn't mean they are brand new or that they aren't revisits of XI's environments. But it really doesn't make any difference either way.

What matters is that the game is good an improves on the good points of XI. And that we wont know for a long time until we actually get our hands on it, no matter how many screenshots and interviews we get to see.



So trying so desperately to call this a brand new game* is as silly as expecting this game to be a straight remake of XI.



*Even though you have the exact same races and it's so obvious the initial zones will be an XI (and some other FF games) remix.

[Yellow Mage]

Originally Posted by Raydeus

So trying so desperately to call this a brand new game* is as silly as expecting this game to be a straight remake of XI.



*Even though you have the exact same races and it's so obvious the initial zones will be an XI (and some other FF games) remix.

So, Raydeus, how're you enjoying your unstoppable lance and impenetrable shield?

/point sig Takelli, too.

[Raydeus]

...what? <_<

Are we going to use parallel universe quotes now? <_<;



Not to mention everyone knows RDM can't equip Aegis and Gungnir.

[Evion]

There is nothing new under the sun. I'd expect to see another thin tan golden haired hero again....

[Kailea]

wow can we get more bitching in this thread? Really -.- game is not even out yet, let alone beta stage, all we ahve is scansa and a few screen shots of some land, and all I a hearing is bitching about how this looks like this, and that looks like that.... What ever happened to game play and story?

How about they just ditch FFXIV all together?..... thats what I though -.- now hush and wait for new info like the rest of us.

[Feba]

Originally Posted by Kailea

How about they just ditch FFXIV all together?

I am totally down with this.


It's going to be a golden turd.

[Pwnagraphic]

Originally Posted by Gyotsha

Hmm. The ground and texture looks flat again, like in FFXI. Almost... Too flat...

Well they can't make each blade of grass stick out likw in RL lol. I think it looks a lot better than XI with more texture. Hopefully youll be able to run up or jump up the side of hills.

[Takelli]

Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

Hopefully youll be able to run up or jump up the side of hills.

Jumping? {No, thanks.}

There will be bunny hoppers like there are in WoW, and it will get very laggy in busy towns with people doing the "bunny hop". Imagine trying to go through the AH in Aht Urgan, and people are "bunny hopping" non stop in that area.