[Murphie]

Originally Posted by Feba

If you're so involved in your religion that you want to carry it over to fantasy worlds, this is not the game for you. FFXI not only has it's own gods, but they are extremely involved in much of the storyline.

That's not really what it's about.

Also, protip, stop surrounding yourself with likeminded people.

This is pretty stupid of you. People form linkshells in this game for a multitude of reasons. Being of a like mind is near the top of the list. Sharing a religion is just one example of said like-mindedness.

The OP was simply looking for a shell of people who share some of his beliefs. I haven't the slightest clue why some of you are so invested in telling him how wrong he is for that.

[WovenDarkness]

Originally Posted by Feba

Oh please, you're accusing me of racism and sexism because I'm giving the guy some advice? There are plenty of xians playing ffxi, obviously, but if you're so obsessive about your religion that you want to bring it over to a game that has FANTASY RIGHT IN THE TITLE, ffxi's mythology and storyline makes it a very poor choice.

Actually, no. I'm not. I'm accusing you of having the same narrow minded attitude that breeds the same hate mongering as sexists and racists exhibit. I know the English language isn't lost on you Feba. Read what I'm writing. Not what you think I'm writing.

As far as it being a poor choice, that's only your opinion...which wasn't asked for. What was asked for was some advice on a Christian LS....which you didn't provide.

For the OP: I don't know of any Christian LS's out there. You might end up starting one up. I wish you the best of luck!

[Murphie]

Just because people are identifying as Christian doesn't mean that they are preaching, or trying to bring their religion into the game world. They just want to be in a shell with other people who share their faith.

I mean, I'm not religious at all, but I can understand their motivations. I'm not sure where the disconnect is for some others.

Quite frankly, considering the responses he's gotten, I doubt the OP will even be back.

[Feba]

Originally Posted by Murphie

This is pretty stupid of you.

uh, no. Tell me, honestly, how many LS do you know that are made for 'likeminded' people, compared to ones just made for a specific purpose or for friends. And of those that are made for 'likeminded' people, how many of them are because the people think the same on an issue that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the game?

Originally Posted by WovenDarkness

I'm accusing you of having the same narrow minded attitude that breeds the same hate mongering

Alright. Explain how looking at a person's own actions and stereotyping based on a group that someone has no control over being in are anything close to each other.
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Originally Posted by Murphie

Just because people are identifying as Christian doesn't mean that they are preaching,

And I'm not saying they are, I'm sure at least half the people that have posted in this thread are probably xian to some degree. The difference is, they don't try to make sure that every last person in their LS shares their beliefs. I mean hell, of the countries that have English speakers that FFXI has in it's playerbase, christianity is already the clear majority.

Originally Posted by Murphie

or trying to bring their religion into the game world.

Yes, they are. Your LS is a place where you'll be almost all of your time in game, barring a few events where it's removed. Having anything from real life involved in your LS, be it religion, politics, or whatever else is trying to bring it into the game world.

[Murphie]

Originally Posted by Feba

uh, no. Tell me, honestly, how many LS do you know that are made for 'likeminded' people, compared to ones just made for a specific purpose or for friends. And of those that are made for 'likeminded' people, how many of them are because the people think the same on an issue that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the game?

I know of quite a few. I'm sorry that your experience with the game was so limited that you never encountered any.

And why does it have to have anything to do with the game? People join linkshells because they share common interests (outside the game), because they live in similar parts of the world, because they are around the same age, because they all prefer a certain kind of conversation/interaction. Who the hell are you to tell them that they're doing it wrong? Answer: You're nobody.

Alright. Explain how looking at a person's own actions and stereotyping based on a group that someone has no control over being in are anything close to each other.

What? Make moar sense, Feba. For crying out loud.

[Armando]

WovenDarkness, Feba never said the OP can't/shouldn't join a Christian LS, or that he can't play FFXI. Feba's just giving him some advice. Regardless of the validity of the advice Feba's dispensing, I'm pretty sure this racist/sexist narrow-mindedness you're talkinga bout isn't a factor in the issue.

My 2 cents: HolyLion, you're going to have a very hard time finding a Christian LS. If you really want to, and you have some patience, you can probably find one. However, I'd recommend against it. These kinds of niche LS sound good on paper but generally don't work out in the sense that you can't do much stuff together, because 9/10 times there aren't enough members that can help you progress in the game.

It's like an All-Monk Linkshell. Sure, you may think it's cool, but what the heck are you going to do with that many MNKs? In the end, you'll probably end up having to find another LS either way (though nothing's stopping you from having multiple LS's.)

[Murphie]

And I'm not saying they are, I'm sure at least half the people that have posted in this thread are probably xian to some degree. The difference is, they don't try to make sure that every last person in their LS shares their beliefs. I mean hell, of the countries that have English speakers that FFXI has in it's playerbase, christianity is already the clear majority.

Where are you getting this? Who said they were doing this? Or looking for this? Oh wait, just you.

There is a difference between "Hey, I'm looking for an LS of folks that share my faith." and "CHRISTIAN ONRY!"

Yes, they are. Your LS is a place where you'll be almost all of your time in game, barring a few events where it's removed. Having anything from real life involved in your LS, be it religion, politics, or whatever else is trying to bring it into the game world.

Did you have a bowl of retarded for breakfast today? Not everyone shares your idea that you have to exclude all of real life to play an MMO. If you've ever talked about something that happened IRL, then you are guilty of bringing something into the game world. No one lives in a perfect bubble like that. I certainly hope you're not going to be so blindingly stupid as to try and pretend otherwise.

edit: Armando, I think comparing an LS of people who share a similar POV with an LS of all MNKs is kind of a false analogy. Just because people share faith doesn't mean that they are clones of each other, or incapable of having different goals and perspectives on playing the game.

[WovenDarkness]

Originally Posted by Feba

Alright. Explain how looking at a person's own actions and stereotyping based on a group that someone has no control over being in are anything close to each other.

I'm not here to argue whatever you think your point actually is. I'm here to make my own....and a request. Stop being an "superior minded" elongated phallic structure.
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...ok. taking this to pm's. lolol

[DakAttack]

Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura

Then again, I'm an atheist who thinks the Catholics are a sub-type of Christians, so what do I know?

They're based on different philosophies, but the disctinctions between the two have slowly disappeared. Catholicism is an institutionalized faith where the pope held the highest power, whereas Christianity was about the teachings of Jesus in particular and was traditionally more of a personal faith. Christianity is becoming more and more like Catholicism day by day, and I think that reflects negatively on Christians, though I could be wrong.

My gripe isn't with personal faiths and beliefs, the issue here is being blindly lead by your beliefs. My original response what not meant to be as offensive as people have taken it, but that doesn't lessen the point it makes. Subjugating yourself before any one or multiple beliefs creates naivety, and, well there's just so much to say on the topic, but it's mostly pointless with all the zombies and those who rush to their defense. Defending a man's naivety only entrenches him further.

What caused more of an uproar, what I said or the way I said it?

[Murphie]

I don't claim to understand why people believe this stuff, but it's pretty firmly entrenched in our global society. Telling them how dumb they are is like talking to a wall, and I have better things to do with my time. I may not agree with what they believe, but I do feel that they have the fundamental right to believe it (no matter how stupid and hurtful and crazy they can be about it sometimes).

[Armando]

Pretty sure it's the way you said it, and to a lesser extent the fact that this thread probably isn't the place to address such issues. I get your point, and I understand there was a good intention behind it, but (in my opinion anyways) if the guy comes asking for Christian LS then we should just point him in the right direction and leave it at that.

I mean, it'd be kinda like asking for vegetarian recipes in the Off Topic forums and getting a reply about how it's pointless to be vegetarian, you know?

[WovenDarkness]

AAAAUUUUGGGHHH!! I got edited!! lolol.

/kicksand


....nope. I'm just blind. >.>

[DakAttack]

Originally Posted by Armando

I mean, it'd be kinda like asking for vegetarian recipes in the Off Topic forums and getting a reply about how it's pointless to be vegetarian, you know?

I've been looking for a way to become a vegetarian for the longest time, but meat plays far too an important role in my life and I haven't found a way to replace it adequately.

Besides, this was the natural progression of the thread. Off-topic? Yes, but it's not like we're spamming or jerking around. Do-gooders can tell us to create a new topic on it, but we all know that's not going to happen.

Further off-topic: You can upload PNG32s as avatars for neato transparency where you need it.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by DakAttack

What caused more of an uproar, what I said or the way I said it?

How you said it and the fact that it didn't need to be said at all. All your ancedotes about religion are gross generalizations to start with, so you're just digging a deeper hole at this point. I know that christians who want to be out of the sermon in time for the All-you-can-eat buffet and I know the ones that give thier time to help others, do charity work and are good people in general who don't force thier faith on others.

Who are you to judge them?

[eticket109]

Originally Posted by JTF-Taru

I don't believe in organised religion, however, this guy didn't ask to start a debate on the merits of faith based living or force his religion down anyone else's throat.

He started a thread asking for a specific type of LS. So unless you have a suitable pearl to offer him, there's not much point in people spamming the thread with their irrelevant opinions.

If religion in video games means so much to you, start a thread about it in an out of topic forum.

JTF

newbie wins the thread