[Vyuru]

Just saw it, and mixed feelings about the movie.

I think it was a bit better than the first one, at least the story seemed to flow a little bit better. But at the same time I was kinda disappointed by the movie. It basically feels like they are taking whatever bits and pieces of Transformers lore they feel like and slapping it into the movie.

So let's see:

The Nemesis is crashed on some planet beyond Saturn, but no sign of the Ark? I could understand starting afresh and not doing the whole Ark and robots in a volcano thing, but then why have the Nemesis obviously crashed and broken on a planet in the solar system? Where is the Ark?

Megatron is upgraded to Galvetron due to "killing the little one" and.....?

Why the hell did they even kill the little one for parts if they have all of the parts they could need from the parts of the other dead Decepticons down there? Furthermore, wouldn't the Doctor be the, "little one"?

Why did the good Doctor sound like some Nazi scientist from some bad WWII B movie?

Ravage's break-in into the secure vault was... disappointing. While the robot he spawned was an interesting concept, I was highly disappointed by the handling of the great spy robot. Also, desert fighting, bright light, need I say more?

The Arcee triplet's holographic riders only further increases my displeasure of how the little robot handled the escape after the data hacking in Airforce 1 in the previous film.

Caspian asked why did the Cube make nothing but Decepticons, I want to know why all the newly created Decepticons had memories going beyond their tender years. Wheelie was made recently, yet knew exactly where to find Jetfire, knew what the language of the Primes was and seemed better educated than the Autobot twins.

At least it's comforting to know that any Joe Shmoe can call up a U.S Aircraft Carrier on a two way radio and have them use a top secret railgun that no one is supposed to know about. Pity the railgun is only good for one shot it seems. Oh, and another thing. If the Constructicon was made up of what, 6-7 robots, why does one shot in the chest area kill them all?

What was even the point of the big bad Constructicon if the Fallen has something akin to telekinesis?

What was the Fallen's motivation for hating the humans and declaring revenge on them anyway?



I could go on, but suffice to say that the more I think about this movie the more unhappy I am with it from a storyline view.

Frankly, how I feel about the movie?

Take Lord of the Rings, now go make a movie out of it but take out all mention of the Ring, heck maybe even take out Hobbits too. I'm sure how many of you would feel about the resulting movie is about how I feel with the Transformers movie.

At least the previews for Tim Boughton's (there's an R in there somewhere) 9, and Shylamar's The Last Airbender looked interesting. The Last Airbender I recognize as being a something though I have never seen it, although I don't know if it's a game or anime, I think anime, so I'll have to read up about it before it comes out next year.

[Yellow Mage]

Actually, I think I can answer two of those questions:

Originally Posted by Vyuru

Caspian asked why did the Cube make nothing but Decepticons, I want to know why all the newly created Decepticons had memories going beyond their tender years.

If I remember correctly, that cube was inscribed with the entirety of Transformer history.

Originally Posted by Vyuru

What was the Fallen's motivation for hating the humans and declaring revenge on them anyway?

And also if I remember correctly, he didn't actually care that much. He just wanted our sun, and his hatred was really more towards the whole tradition of "oh, btw, let's not kill the stars that have solar systems with life on them."

[Feba]

Originally Posted by Vyuru

Why did the good Doctor sound like some Nazi scientist from some bad WWII B movie?

Sciunce aas un Germun accent!

[Vyuru]

If I remember correctly, that cube was inscribed with the entirety of Transformer history.

Not a bad theory, but I don't quite buy it. If that were the case, then why couldn't Wheelie decipher the language of the primes?

And also if I remember correctly, he didn't actually care that much.

I don't know, it seemed pretty personal, especially with that line that his revenge was begun after sinking the aircraft carrier.

Sciunce aas un Germun accent!

Some things are just a universal constant I guess

[Durahansolo]

Originally Posted by Vyuru

Caspian asked why did the Cube make nothing but Decepticons

I just saw the movie the other day and I wondered the exact same thing.

My Random Thoughts:

I mean seriously, I thought the movie was funny and entertaining but it had wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many sex related jokes.

Epic Spoiler Time

The Chick Terminator Transformer turned me off...I mean, was she even really necessary to the plot?!

Was it just me or were the last 30 mins shown entirely with the dramatic slow-mo effect. Don't get me wrong, the special effects were epic, but... When it got to a certain point it just seemed overkill.

Optimus Prime

There were no words for when he ripped off Starscream's arm and beat him with it. I lol'd so hard, Optimus was epic.

The Twins

WTF Gold Teef! Now I know they were in there basically for comic relief, but come on...

Ok, about the Rail Gun. Was it really needed again after it was used to kill the constructicon? I mean they probably could've used it to level the pyramid and destroy the weapon at the same time. They could've used it to shoot at Megatron or Fallen but they were much smaller targets compared to the constructicon. However since only a Prime can kill Fallen it would've just been a wasted shot.

Another thing, and this one was my fault lol. I was expecting to be introduced to the characters in the first movie and because I never watched the original transformers I apparently only knew Megatron, Optimus, and Starscream. I should've did research before I watched the movie lol. I can only remember watching Beast Wars, Beast Machines (Why was this show even made?), and Transformers Aramada(I'm 99% sure that I didn't see all of the episodes, gonna download and re-watch when I get a chance.)

[Ziero]

Originally Posted by Vyuru

The Nemesis is crashed on some planet beyond Saturn, but no sign of the Ark? I could understand starting afresh and not doing the whole Ark and robots in a volcano thing, but then why have the Nemesis obviously crashed and broken on a planet in the solar system? Where is the Ark?

This was most likely explained in the comics, but in the movie there is no explanation. Which does suck, I agree.

Megatron is upgraded to Galvetron due to "killing the little one" and.....?

Why the hell did they even kill the little one for parts if they have all of the parts they could need from the parts of the other dead Decepticons down there? Furthermore, wouldn't the Doctor be the, "little one"?

They rebuilt Megatron using fresh parts that weren't rotting under the sea for two years and the Allspark shard Ravage stole. And despite being the smallest, the Doctor was the only medical expert there, so why kill him? If they killed the Doctor, who would rebuild Megatron? I'll admit that scene felt a little rushed, but the points you're confused about were pretty clear.

Why did the good Doctor sound like some Nazi scientist from some bad WWII B movie?

Transformers have always had funny/stereotypical accents, and when you think of evil doctor, a german accent is one of the first things that comes to mind.

Ravage's break-in into the secure vault was... disappointing. While the robot he spawned was an interesting concept, I was highly disappointed by the handling of the great spy robot. Also, desert fighting, bright light, need I say more?

Ravage did a job no other Decepticon could have done, and he wasn't just a spy in G1 but a fairly strong warrior as well. He used the element of surprise to get the jump on BB just like he did to Hound and Cliffjumper in MTMTE and many other episodes.

The Arcee triplet's holographic riders only further increases my displeasure of how the little robot handled the escape after the data hacking in Airforce 1 in the previous film.

It seems not every robot can make a hologram, so there's no reason why Frenzy should have been able to make one.

Caspian asked why did the Cube make nothing but Decepticons, I want to know why all the newly created Decepticons had memories going beyond their tender years. Wheelie was made recently, yet knew exactly where to find Jetfire, knew what the language of the Primes was and seemed better educated than the Autobot twins.

Explained in the post before yours, all technology on earth is reversed engineered from Megatron and his "spark" of evil still lingers. And who said Wheelie was just made? He specifically mentioned being a scrap worker back on Cybertron, meaning he's been around for a while and has been around the history of Transformers for a long time. He knew about Jetfire and the other seekers due to his Decepticon links, because he was with them as a low level servant who cleaned up their mess.

At least it's comforting to know that any Joe Shmoe can call up a U.S Aircraft Carrier on a two way radio and have them use a top secret railgun that no one is supposed to know about. Pity the railgun is only good for one shot it seems. Oh, and another thing. If the Constructicon was made up of what, 6-7 robots, why does one shot in the chest area kill them all?

This I agree with. Though devs was made up of a lot more then 6-7 bots. The basic theory is that he's more like a Duocon (only with more then two parts) where multiple vehicles make up a single robot, but the vehicles themselves don't have individual robot modes. It's a cheap cop-out imo, but seems to be the working idea.

What was even the point of the big bad Constructicon if the Fallen has something akin to telekinesis?

Fallen couldn't tear apart the Pyramid like Devastator could. In one hit, Devs took the entire top point of the Pyramid off, Fallen couldn't do that.

What was the Fallen's motivation for hating the humans and declaring revenge on them anyway?

The fact that his brothers chose them over him, and fought to protect the lives of "insects" and eventually defeated the Fallen and hid the key to his unlimited power is a pretty big reason to hate them. If it weren't for humans, they would have sucked up the sun, killed all of the earth and been on their merry way. But since this planet had a "bug problem" the other Primes wanted to leave, Fallen wanted to stay...because he was an evil dick, and a war started over the lives of insignificant little vermin.

Take Lord of the Rings, now go make a movie out of it but take out all mention of the Ring, heck maybe even take out Hobbits too. I'm sure how many of you would feel about the resulting movie is about how I feel with the Transformers movie.

The biggest problem with Transformers as a continuity...is that there's multiple continuities. Things like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars (two of the usual suspects for comparison) don't really have that issue, they have their core story and spin offs, but in the end it's all one single story. Transformers stops and restarts with old names, new faces and different situations and scenarios all the time, so there is a myriad of lore to pull from that in effect is always accurate. I don't know what core element was removed from Transformers to warrant a comparison to LotR "without the rings or hobbits" because all the core elements present in every Transformers story is still there. It's just...different. While it's not a perfect movie and it could have been done a LOT better, it's still very much Transformers in every way shape and form.

At least the previews for Tim Boughton's (there's an R in there somewhere) 9, and Shylamar's The Last Airbender looked interesting. The Last Airbender I recognize as being a something though I have never seen it, although I don't know if it's a game or anime, I think anime, so I'll have to read up about it before it comes out next year.

Avatar: The Last Airbender is actually a Nicktoon, and one of the greatest animated series ever made. It's three seasons long and very well written, animated and executed. If you have cable/satellite, try checking out Nicktoons Network, as it's still there in heavy rotation at different time slots. I suggest trying to catch it in the beginning of "Book 1" (the first season) and sticking to whatever timeslot that falls in, because they'll eventually cycle through the entire series.

Originally Posted by Durahansolo

Epic Spoiler Time

The Chick Terminator Transformer turned me off...I mean, was she even really necessary to the plot?!

Another thing, and this one was my fault lol. I was expecting to be introduced to the characters in the first movie and because I never watched the original transformers I apparently only knew Megatron, Optimus, and Starscream. I should've did research before I watched the movie lol. I can only remember watching Beast Wars, Beast Machines (Why was this show even made?), and Transformers Aramada(I'm 99% sure that I didn't see all of the episodes, gonna download and re-watch when I get a chance.)

As for the first question

spoiler

it was a failed attempt to illustrate just how in depth a Decepticon can infiltrate our society. The whole thing with Transformers is that they could be anywhere at any time, and throwing in the fact that they could appear human was an attempt at blurring the lines as to what they could and could not be. Sadly the point was thrown away quickly as Bay went right into the fireworks. He's not much for subtle story telling sadly

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Watching older Transformers cartoons might help you better understand the numerous references in the film, but it won't actually help you understand the film itself. Transformers has a history of using the same name for different faces, often changing everything about a character but the name. For example, take Scorponok. In the movie, he's a simple scorpion attack drone, in Beastwars he was an intelligent but loyal second in command for Megatron. In Transformers Energon, he was a slave of a third party known as the Quintessons who used mindless drones to try and gather energy to revive his masters. And yet in the original series, he was one of the most powerful and destructive Decepticons, with the ability to turn into a fortress, a huge defensive battle station. In the original Transformers, he was actually a Decepticon leader, one of the few who took control of the Decepticons in Megatron's absence. Same name, same alt mode (to an extent) but wildly different characters all of them.

If you want to know more about the movie-verse version of Transformers, I suggest checking out the numerous prequel and sequel comics that are out and surround both films. The Reign of Starscream is particularly enjoyable as it chronicles the actions of Starscream during the 2 years between films, and brings light to his short tenure as Decepticon leader. It was a unique take on his character as it kept his treacherous, cruel nature, but made out to be more of a serious leader who was honestly attempting to save his race, but fell to the same corruption of power he saw Megatron and Prime struggle with. Sadly RotF sent him right back to his sniveling sidekick role, but for a while in the comics, he had some depth to him. It's also particularly funny because many of the bot designs in the Reign of Starscream were based on toys from older lines who got repainted and re-released for the film, which as a collector, I found that to be pretty funny.

[Vyuru]

They rebuilt Megatron using fresh parts that weren't rotting under the sea for two years and the Allspark shard Ravage stole.

Oh, i get that, not so confused about it really. It's just that Megatron and Blackout looked pretty good after coming out of the water, so I wasn't seeing why they couldn't use the parts on the ocean floor.

The comment about the doctor was more of a joke, kind of like the "Fire at will" joke.

Does suck to be Will.

It seems not every robot can make a hologram, so there's no reason why Frenzy should have been able to make one.

Do they mention this outside of the movie or something? My impression was that most choose not to. Still didn't like that scene with Frenzy just walking from the heavily guarded plane, it made no sense.

He specifically mentioned being a scrap worker back on Cybertron

I remember him saying that he is just a scrap drone, I don't recall any mention of Cybertron though. I was wondering if he was sent by the Decepticons, and not just created when the Allspark fragment fell into the kitchen, but the way the movie presented it made me think he was one of the newly created Decepticons.

Fallen couldn't tear apart the Pyramid like Devastator could. In one hit, Devs took the entire top point of the Pyramid off, Fallen couldn't do that.

But he does pickup and drop all/most of the human vehicles, and then picks up all the debris from the pyramids that Devastator knocked off and uses it like a shield against the human fighter planes, so I just don't see why he couldn't take off the top of the pyramid to begin with.

It could be that when they combined that they were all controlled in a central location, but meh. I felt like Devastator was just there for a balls joke.

Ravage did a job no other Decepticon could have done, and he wasn't just a spy in G1 but a fairly strong warrior as well. He used the element of surprise to get the jump on BB just like he did to Hound and Cliffjumper in MTMTE and many other episodes.

All true, it's just... They gave him his cat form, gave him his hip mounted weapons, although wasn't the classic bombs I seem to remember, but they took his light sensitivity and sneaky/cloaking abilities (or at least not shown in the film) It just doesn't feel like they presented him as well as they could have. But I guess that's true of alot of the Transformers.

Avatar: The Last Airbender is actually a Nicktoon, and one of the greatest animated series ever made.

Good to know, I don't have cable but my sister does. Maybe I can get her to tape it for me.

[Durahansolo]

Originally Posted by Ziero

As for the first question

spoiler

it was a failed attempt to illustrate just how in depth a Decepticon can infiltrate our society. The whole thing with Transformers is that they could be anywhere at any time, and throwing in the fact that they could appear human was an attempt at blurring the lines as to what they could and could not be. Sadly the point was thrown away quickly as Bay went right into the fireworks. He's not much for subtle story telling sadly

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Yeah, Lesson Learned for when G.I. Joe comes out, I remember some of the character but not all lol, so I'll be researching it before I go to see it.

[Caspian]

If G.I. Joe sucks, then Hollywood will officially be one shitty Thundercats movie away from raping everything that was good from my childhood.

[Raydeus]

So when are they going to start showing Thundercats: The movie?

[Durahansolo]

Originally Posted by Caspian

If G.I. Joe sucks, then Hollywood will officially be one shitty Full Metal Panic movie away from raping everything that was good from my childhood.

Well hopefully that new TMNT movie and the Robocop movie will be ok.