Dragoon Equips: This or That

eticket109 · 09-26-2008, 08:36 AM

Between those two, Cletine wins in my opinion.

Armando · 09-26-2008, 09:45 AM

Problem with that is you need Gondo-shizunori, have it unlocked, and have Dreakesbane =P

Also, I beg to differ, if Thalo is the same as Mezraq then the -Eva is 25 according to FFXIClopedia, and that contribution to the party outweighs the increase in WS damage.

Callisto · 09-26-2008, 10:49 AM

1) Taking this opportunity to Q_Q that my friend came back to the game and I no longer have a 75DRG/75BLU mule

and

2) Yes, Cletine really only matters if you have Drakesbane, because Skewer just doesn't cut it compared to Penta. Personally I would still go Mezraq just because the difference between that and Thalawhozit is so marginal you'd never notice it, and(at least on Ramuh) it costs 100k+ less, which you could put towards a larger improvement in another slot.

Edit: And it's a post from me, obligatory Valk Fork or GTFO ->

eticket109 · 09-26-2008, 10:54 AM

I'm quite happy with my Thalo until Odin stops mocking my dreams.

Skoal · 09-26-2008, 11:58 AM

Gondo is outdone by other lances before 72. Imperial Neza being one them.

Tek(Selphiie) · 10-15-2008, 09:10 AM

I've been asking some DRGs which is better to WS in, the Brutal Earring or the Minuet Earring (Because my 2nd earring slot is reserved for Fowling), I've been hearing Brutal for the chance at one of my hits double attacking during penta thrust, but then there are some who swear to just stick with the STR/DEX+1.

Don't know which to beleive.

Vyuru · 10-15-2008, 09:30 AM

Brutal hands down.

How much will Str/Dex+1 boost your WS damage by?

How much will just one extra attack from the Brutal Earring increase your WS damage by?

The potential benefits of the Brutal Earring far outweigh the actual benefits given by the Minuet Earring.

EDIT:

As far as I know, the Brutal Earring's DA could proc on any of the 5 hits of Penta Thrust, for a max total of 8 hits. So you could get anywhere from 0-3 extra hits from the Brutal Earring alone. You're not likely to get 3 extra hits, but it's possible.

And like I said earlier, +1 Str/Dex won't do much for your WS, I would not consider it for a macro swap in.

Armando · 10-15-2008, 10:54 AM

Anyone who picks STR/DEX+1 over 5% Double Attack for ANYTHING doesn't understand how stats work and you should immediately disregard anything else that comes out of that person's mouth regarding gear advice.

Malacite · 10-15-2008, 12:49 PM

plus

YouTube - Mythic Weaponskill - Drakesbane

= pwn

Callisto · 10-15-2008, 12:55 PM

Not really. Pole Grip is still going to come out on top, the damage boost from Brave appears to be about 3-5%, and Gondo is still a crappy weapon compared to Thallo/Mezraq and to a lesser extent Cletine.

Armando · 10-15-2008, 01:09 PM

I think Malacite is just crit-obsessed.

Callisto · 10-15-2008, 01:20 PM

Ugh this junk is making me want to level DRG now but I seriously need to merit the jobs I have first

Malacite · 10-15-2008, 01:24 PM

:O So it's not as potent as X's Knife?

Damn it all. I was hoping it would do for Raging Rush & Drakesbane what X's Knife does for evisceration...

Yellow Mage · 10-15-2008, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malacite

Damn it all. I was hoping it would do for Raging Rush & Drakesbane what X's Knife does for evisceration...

. . . Are you serious? Please tell me this guy isn't being serious.

Malacite · 10-15-2008, 03:17 PM

I am. X's Knife isn't even that hard to get really (>. > if you can manaburn that is, that BC can be manaburned in 1 minute without 2 hours) so getting X's Knife is a lot easier compared to obtaining the Brave Grip (Your nation has to own all 7 areas, you need to whoop Orcs for the BC item and then beat the BC)

Both fights are fairly easy actually... the Orc BC being even easier BUT the conditions for triggering it are far more aggravating. As such, why the hell not make it 10% ? Gives me even more reason to try for that 15-18% Crit build on WAR (provided someone ever figures out a reasonable PW strategy)

09-26-2008, 08:36 AM	#16
eticket109 Pointy Stick Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,091 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 488 Thanked 375x in 234 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That Between those two, Cletine wins in my opinion. __________________ Wii code: 6851 9579 6989 9039

09-26-2008, 09:45 AM	#17
Armando 2300 AD is pretty screwed up Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 5,110 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 707 Thanked 1,631x in 906 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That Problem with that is you need Gondo-shizunori, have it unlocked, and have Dreakesbane =P Also, I beg to differ, if Thalo is the same as Mezraq then the -Eva is 25 according to FFXIClopedia, and that contribution to the party outweighs the increase in WS damage. __________________

09-26-2008, 10:49 AM	#18
Callisto Now With More Y! Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 2,377 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 198 Thanked 603x in 351 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That 1) Taking this opportunity to Q_Q that my friend came back to the game and I no longer have a 75DRG/75BLU mule and 2) Yes, Cletine really only matters if you have Drakesbane, because Skewer just doesn't cut it compared to Penta. Personally I would still go Mezraq just because the difference between that and Thalawhozit is so marginal you'd never notice it, and(at least on Ramuh) it costs 100k+ less, which you could put towards a larger improvement in another slot. Edit: And it's a post from me, obligatory Valk Fork or GTFO -> __________________ Callysto of RamuhCaithsith - 75 RDM / BRD / COR / PLD / WAR / SCH Formerly Callisto of Ramuh. RDM Guide( Updated July '09!) \| COR Guide \| FFXIAH Item Sets & Junk

09-26-2008, 10:54 AM	#19
eticket109 Pointy Stick Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,091 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 488 Thanked 375x in 234 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That I'm quite happy with my Thalo until Odin stops mocking my dreams. __________________ Wii code: 6851 9579 6989 9039

09-26-2008, 11:58 AM	#20
Skoal LOLDRG Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brandon Posts: 947 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 103 Thanked 104x in 66 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That Gondo is outdone by other lances before 72. Imperial Neza being one them. __________________ Thanks Kazuki. Dragoon Equipment

10-15-2008, 09:10 AM	#21
Tek(Selphiie) Engaged Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 80 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 31 Thanked 14x in 11 Posts	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That I've been asking some DRGs which is better to WS in, the Brutal Earring or the Minuet Earring (Because my 2nd earring slot is reserved for Fowling), I've been hearing Brutal for the chance at one of my hits double attacking during penta thrust, but then there are some who swear to just stick with the STR/DEX+1. Don't know which to beleive. __________________ The most precious possession that ever comes To a man in this world Is a woman's heart.

10-15-2008, 09:30 AM	#22
Vyuru =~.^= Allied Ribbon of Bravery Join Date: May 2006 Location: Area 3.141592654...... Posts: 1,692 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 223 Thanked 223x in 171 Posts	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That Brutal hands down. How much will Str/Dex+1 boost your WS damage by? How much will just one extra attack from the Brutal Earring increase your WS damage by? The potential benefits of the Brutal Earring far outweigh the actual benefits given by the Minuet Earring. EDIT: As far as I know, the Brutal Earring's DA could proc on any of the 5 hits of Penta Thrust, for a max total of 8 hits. So you could get anywhere from 0-3 extra hits from the Brutal Earring alone. You're not likely to get 3 extra hits, but it's possible. And like I said earlier, +1 Str/Dex won't do much for your WS, I would not consider it for a macro swap in. __________________ You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be misqouted and then used against you.

10-15-2008, 10:54 AM	#23
Armando 2300 AD is pretty screwed up Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 5,110 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 707 Thanked 1,631x in 906 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That Anyone who picks STR/DEX+1 over 5% Double Attack for ANYTHING doesn't understand how stats work and you should immediately disregard anything else that comes out of that person's mouth regarding gear advice. __________________

10-15-2008, 12:55 PM	#25
Callisto Now With More Y! Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 2,377 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 198 Thanked 603x in 351 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That Not really. Pole Grip is still going to come out on top, the damage boost from Brave appears to be about 3-5%, and Gondo is still a crappy weapon compared to Thallo/Mezraq and to a lesser extent Cletine. __________________ Callysto of RamuhCaithsith - 75 RDM / BRD / COR / PLD / WAR / SCH Formerly Callisto of Ramuh. RDM Guide( Updated July '09!) \| COR Guide \| FFXIAH Item Sets & Junk

10-15-2008, 01:09 PM	#26
Armando 2300 AD is pretty screwed up Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 5,110 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 707 Thanked 1,631x in 906 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That I think Malacite is just crit-obsessed. __________________

10-15-2008, 01:20 PM	#27
Callisto Now With More Y! Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 2,377 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 198 Thanked 603x in 351 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That Ugh this junk is making me want to level DRG now but I seriously need to merit the jobs I have first __________________ Callysto of RamuhCaithsith - 75 RDM / BRD / COR / PLD / WAR / SCH Formerly Callisto of Ramuh. RDM Guide( Updated July '09!) \| COR Guide \| FFXIAH Item Sets & Junk

10-15-2008, 01:24 PM	#28
Malacite Crime Solving Rank 11 Paladin! Steelknight Emblem Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 5,839 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 1,375 Thanked 524x in 365 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That :O So it's not as potent as X's Knife? Damn it all. I was hoping it would do for Raging Rush & Drakesbane what X's Knife does for evisceration... __________________ My Dream Samurai Gear

10-15-2008, 03:17 PM	#30
Malacite Crime Solving Rank 11 Paladin! Steelknight Emblem Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 5,839 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 1,375 Thanked 524x in 365 Posts My Mood:	Re: Dragoon Equips: This or That I am. X's Knife isn't even that hard to get really (>. > if you can manaburn that is, that BC can be manaburned in 1 minute without 2 hours) so getting X's Knife is a lot easier compared to obtaining the Brave Grip (Your nation has to own all 7 areas, you need to whoop Orcs for the BC item and then beat the BC) Both fights are fairly easy actually... the Orc BC being even easier BUT the conditions for triggering it are far more aggravating. As such, why the hell not make it 10% ? Gives me even more reason to try for that 15-18% Crit build on WAR (provided someone ever figures out a reasonable PW strategy) __________________ My Dream Samurai Gear

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