Subjobs for Healing

Malacite · 05-03-2008, 11:07 AM

Hmm good point, I can see how that would get annoying. Still, it does seem like a good way to not have to rest ever (except for your wyvern)

Karinya · 05-03-2008, 01:57 PM

No, DRG/SCH wouldn't work as a way not to have to rest. In order to get the MP efficiency of healing breath, you have to be below 50% hp so you can *use* healing breath, which will kill sublimation.

Sublimation: Only works above 50% hp; shuts off if you go below 50% hp for even one tick
Healing Breath: Only works below 50% hp; must wait until you're below 50% hp, then cast a spell, then wait for HB to go off

See the problem?

If you want to not have to rest, you'll have to keep relying on sanction/sigil.

One benefit of /whm is reraise - especially nice in campaign, where shit happens. Besieged too, but I don't usually go to besieged as DRG, too much wyvern killing spam.

Malacite · 05-03-2008, 02:04 PM

Yes I know about how breaths trigger.

However, Couldn't you simply use Regen 1 or 2 to push your HP up a bit and then use it between fights? It's probably still nowhere near as practical as /WHM RDM or BLU but it's still an option.

IfritnoItazura · 05-03-2008, 02:50 PM

Sublimation is a moot issue if you're fighting something you can Aspir... At DRG72+ with /SCH, that is.

Yellow Mage · 05-03-2008, 03:14 PM

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Vyuru · 05-03-2008, 04:32 PM

Just how good is /Sch Aspir anyway?

I've used it as Blm on things like worms, but haven't been that impressed by it. Well, it's decent, but it's not what I would count on to keep my mp up.

Yellow Mage · 05-03-2008, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vyuru

Just how good is /Sch Aspir anyway?

Just about as good as main SCH Aspir.

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Vyuru · 05-03-2008, 04:55 PM

I am aware of that YM.

However, as I said, in my experience as Blm fighting worms that con what, EM-T by the time I had Aspir, with capped A- skill, was frankly unimpressive and I would not count on Aspir to keep my mp up.

/Sch comes with a B- assuming Dark Arts, not an A-, so their Aspir is worse.
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Also keep in mind, it's not worth my time to sub a mage subjob if I'm not fighting EM-T monsters as Drg. If I am fighting DC-EM mobs, then I sub Brd, if higher, a mage job. Chigoe and other monsters with a high DA/TA rate (Qiqirn, some mobs in the past) have been the sole exception to that rule that I have found.

Yellow Mage · 05-03-2008, 05:11 PM

I was mistaken: I had thought that by "past experience with BLM" you meant DRG/BLM.

Ah, well.

Malacite · 05-03-2008, 05:43 PM

Given that you can't even use aspir from /SCH until 72, I'd say you should be draining a good chunk of MP by that point.

05-03-2008, 11:07 AM	#16
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05-03-2008, 01:57 PM	#17
Karinya Veteran Member Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,074 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 81 Thanked 435x in 236 Posts	Re: Subjobs for Healing No, DRG/SCH wouldn't work as a way not to have to rest. In order to get the MP efficiency of healing breath, you have to be below 50% hp so you can use healing breath, which will kill sublimation. Sublimation: Only works above 50% hp; shuts off if you go below 50% hp for even one tick Healing Breath: Only works below 50% hp; must wait until you're below 50% hp, then cast a spell, then wait for HB to go off See the problem? If you want to not have to rest, you'll have to keep relying on sanction/sigil. One benefit of /whm is reraise - especially nice in campaign, where shit happens. Besieged too, but I don't usually go to besieged as DRG, too much wyvern killing spam. __________________ Defeated: Maat, Divine Might, Fenrir, Kirin, Cactrot Rapido, Xolotl, Diabolos Prime, Kurrea, 9/10 Dynamis Bosses (missing Tav), Promathia, Proto-Ultima, Proto-Omega, 4 Jailers, Apocalypse Nigh, 6/6 Nyzul Bosses RDM75, PLD75, DRG75, COR75, SCH61 Windurst Rank 10, Bastok Rank 10, San D'Oria Rank 9, ZMs & PMs Complete, AUMs Complete, Captain, Nyzul Floor 100 (5 Weapons, 3 WS), Moonlight Medal, WotG Mission 15, 1/3 Addons Complete

05-03-2008, 02:04 PM	#18
Malacite Crime Solving Rank 11 Paladin! Steelknight Emblem Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 5,843 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 1,376 Thanked 525x in 366 Posts My Mood:	Re: Subjobs for Healing Yes I know about how breaths trigger. However, Couldn't you simply use Regen 1 or 2 to push your HP up a bit and then use it between fights? It's probably still nowhere near as practical as /WHM RDM or BLU but it's still an option. __________________ My Dream Samurai Gear

05-03-2008, 02:50 PM	#19
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05-03-2008, 03:14 PM	#20
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05-03-2008, 04:32 PM	#21
Vyuru =~.^= Allied Ribbon of Bravery Join Date: May 2006 Location: Area 3.141592654...... Posts: 1,692 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 223 Thanked 223x in 171 Posts	Re: Subjobs for Healing Just how good is /Sch Aspir anyway? I've used it as Blm on things like worms, but haven't been that impressed by it. Well, it's decent, but it's not what I would count on to keep my mp up. __________________ You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be misqouted and then used against you.

05-03-2008, 04:55 PM	#23
Vyuru =~.^= Allied Ribbon of Bravery Join Date: May 2006 Location: Area 3.141592654...... Posts: 1,692 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 223 Thanked 223x in 171 Posts	Re: Subjobs for Healing I am aware of that YM. However, as I said, in my experience as Blm fighting worms that con what, EM-T by the time I had Aspir, with capped A- skill, was frankly unimpressive and I would not count on Aspir to keep my mp up. /Sch comes with a B- assuming Dark Arts, not an A-, so their Aspir is worse. ______________________________ Also keep in mind, it's not worth my time to sub a mage subjob if I'm not fighting EM-T monsters as Drg. If I am fighting DC-EM mobs, then I sub Brd, if higher, a mage job. Chigoe and other monsters with a high DA/TA rate (Qiqirn, some mobs in the past) have been the sole exception to that rule that I have found. __________________ You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be misqouted and then used against you. Last edited by Vyuru; 05-03-2008 at 04:58 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-03-2008, 05:11 PM	#24
Yellow Mage Tamarsamar - 赤魔騎士 Bronze Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,647 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 3,445 Thanked 546x in 349 Posts My Mood:	Re: Subjobs for Healing I was mistaken: I had thought that by "past experience with BLM" you meant DRG/BLM. Ah, well.

05-03-2008, 05:43 PM	#25
Malacite Crime Solving Rank 11 Paladin! Steelknight Emblem Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 5,843 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 1,376 Thanked 525x in 366 Posts My Mood:	Re: Subjobs for Healing Given that you can't even use aspir from /SCH until 72, I'd say you should be draining a good chunk of MP by that point. __________________ My Dream Samurai Gear

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