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Thanked 8x in 8 Posts Gil: 5,389 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 5,389 Donate  | DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance I recently dinged SAM35, and as I was leveling it for DRG sub I rushed out to test the performance of Seigan+Third Eye. I must say I am very disappointed so far. Out of 12 tests (meaning I used Seigan + Third Eye 12 times, against 5 different birds) fighting Lesser Colibri in Wajaom Woodlands as DRG75/SAM35 I had the following results:
1 anticipation: 2
2 anticipations: 8
3 anticipations: 1
4 anticipations: 1
Its true that this is a limited sample size. However, the result seems to clearly indicate that 2 anticipations is the norm. Have other people had the same experience? Will it improve when I get SAM37?  Main Jobs: DRG75 PLD56
Sub Jobs: WAR37, BLU37, SAM37, DRK46
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Thanked 21x in 15 Posts Gil: 19,999 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 19,999 Donate | Re: DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance Its completely random. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 08-13-2007, 08:02 AM | #3 (permalink) | | X's General FFXIWiki Team Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 3,007 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 260
Thanked 754x in 409 Posts Gil: 50,833 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 50,833 Donate | Re: DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance The longer Third Eye has been active, the more likely it is to not give you further anticipates. That's why the distribution turned out that way (it's not likely for it to die out immediately after used, but after the second attack round enough time has passed for it to be more likely to fail.) | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | The following user says "Thank You" to Armando for above post: | | | | 08-13-2007, 08:14 AM | #4 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 109 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 14
Thanked 8x in 8 Posts Gil: 5,389 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 5,389 Donate | Re: DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance Yeah I knew that was how it worked, I guess I just expected 3-4 anticipates to be the average not 2. Anyone have any personal experience with it? Is 2 the average for everyone else? Main Jobs: DRG75 PLD56
Sub Jobs: WAR37, BLU37, SAM37, DRK46
Merits:
Angon (1) Deep Breathing (1) Empathy (2)
Polearm (6) Sword (2) Crit Hit % (2) MP (2)
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Smithing (26.0), Clothcraft (59.8)
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Bastok Rank 10, ZM 16, CoP 3-5
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Thanked 145x in 111 Posts Gil: 8,437 Bank: 62,026 Total Gil: 70,463 Donate | Re: DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance My average experience with it has been about 3 anticipations.
What normally happens is I WS, get hate, maybe get hit, maybe not, pop Seigan then Third Eye, anticipate a few attacks, about 3, then it goes down but Third Eye has about 5 or less seconds before it can be used again, so it's not down long at all.
Also, that is 3 or so attack rounds, double/triple attacks and multi hit WS are included in that, so sometimes I actually anticipate more attacks, sometimes not. I don't see the Counter effect activate that often though.
This is as both lvl 70 drg/sam testing and lvl 35-37 sam/war testing, I did a little tanking once I hit lvl 35+ on my sam to test it out. 
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Thanked 220x in 133 Posts Gil: 10,419 Bank: 38,918 Total Gil: 49,337 Donate | Re: DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance I think most everyone around these boards have heard my complaints with Seigan. I have the poor luck to always end up in the scenario wherein I WS -> mob retaliates with WS -> I get Seigan/3E up but since the mob just hit me for 500 damage, he's content to turn back to the tank.
The few times it actually stuck with me, I've gotten 2 anticipates at best. I think I've yet to see more than 4 anticipates (and I believe that was on a Too Weak. Not that I think level has anything to do with it. It's purely dumb luck).
BTW, something I don't think would work but I don't think has ever been tried:
with Seigan up, activate Third Eye then pop Hasso. I wonder if that unique use of Third Eye would keep the benefits of Seigan. Would certainly be a nice (if time consuming) pre-WS procedure if it worked Originally Posted by Taskmage  | Women = Time x Money
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Thanked 145x in 111 Posts Gil: 8,437 Bank: 62,026 Total Gil: 70,463 Donate | Re: DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance | Quote: | | with Seigan up, activate Third Eye then pop Hasso. I wonder if that unique use of Third Eye would keep the benefits of Seigan. | Just ran a partial test, didn't have time to get into a fight. If you do Seigan > Third Eye > Hasso, once you activate Hasso your Third Eye will still have a <30 second reuse timer, so it sounds possible. It is at least a way to shorten the Third Eye timer.
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Thanked 10x in 5 Posts Gil: 1,524 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,524 Donate | Re: DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance It's really random. Sometimes it's one hit and gone. Though the best I've seen was 5 hits anticipated (a Heraldic Imp - I fired off Seigan/3rd Eye and waited for a nearby XP party to finish their Imp and pull it off me). It is very nice on Greater Colbri since multi-hit weapons skills (like Pecking Fury) are completely avoided as if they were a single attack. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 08-14-2007, 06:35 AM | #9 (permalink) | | Alone Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 3,145 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 251
Thanked 295x in 206 Posts Gil: 18,490 Bank: 21,106 Total Gil: 39,596 Donate | Re: DRG/SAM Seigan+Third Eye Performance | Originally Posted by Greylynx | | Yeah I knew that was how it worked, I guess I just expected 3-4 anticipates to be the average not 2. Anyone have any personal experience with it? Is 2 the average for everyone else? | I average 3-5 usually I'm just lucky like that =D | Originally Posted by Lmnop | BTW, something I don't think would work but I don't think has ever been tried:
with Seigan up, activate Third Eye then pop Hasso. I wonder if that unique use of Third Eye would keep the benefits of Seigan. Would certainly be a nice (if time consuming) pre-WS procedure if it worked | It does keep the effect of seigan, I usually will seigan/third eye just before hasso -> penta thrust when I was using drg. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | |
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