DRG Elitist BS

[Greylynx]

Something unbelievable happened to me this week. I was so enraged by it that I actually cancelled my content ID right after it happened. I'm out. However, I really want to hear what my fellow DRGs think about this. Sorry for the length guys its a long post.

I joined an Assault LS, with then intention of having fun and getting some good DRG gear. I really wanted a Chiv. Chain and a Potent Belt. Here is my settup:

DRG61/WAR30
Weapon: GKL
Head: AF
Neck: Spike Necklace (Mermans Gorget is Acc is a problem)
Ear: Spike Earring x2
Hands: AF (Battle Gloves if Acc is a problem)
Body: Scorpion Harness
Waist: Lifebelt
Legs: AF (Have the Bastokan Subligar but I like the extra 10% HP for Eisey)
Feet: AF

I am a firm believer that my Wyvern is a solid contribution to the party damage, hence some of the AF (like the gloves). The AF feet is because I steal hate ALOT and I find that High Jump w/ boots is enough usually to put hate back on tank.

Ok so the following conversation takes place as we are getting ready for the 3rd Assault for the night.

(I am checked by a level 70 DRG in our party. I am not going to name anyone though. Please note this conversation takes place IN THE LS CHAT)
lvl70DRG: Whats with all the AF?
Me: Excuse me?
lvl70DRG: I hope you don't XP with that gear.
Me: Whats wrong with it?

(At this point the whole party checks me of course.)

lvl70DRG: There is much better stuff like Battle Gloves, Bastokan Subligar and Valk/Walk Mask.
Me: Yeah I have that stuff except the mask, but I use it when te situation warrents it.
lvl70DRG: I hate DRG like you, you give us all a bad name.
Me: Nobody can ruin your reputation but yourself. Don't worry about what others think.
Me: Besides, you should party with someone before you decide how good or bad they are.
lvl70DRG: Gimp *** DRG like yourself ruin this game for those of us that don't suck
Me: Do you mind not contiuing this conversation in LS chat?

(At which point people in the LS start complaining, and even threating to blist ME! I should point out that other then the officers in this LS, everyone else seemed to think I didn't belong there. Funny since the membership requirement is lvl50 and I had to apply to get in)

The assault begins, and I am told by the entire party to sit and wait in the corner until its done.

I was taught that DRG is like a brotherhood and we stick together. So WTH? The worst part is that there are a whole lot more of these high level elitist pricks in the game then normal people it seems. When did people forget that this a game and we are all supposed to have fun?

Anyway this was the final straw for me. The game seems more like a chore sometimes then anything and I don't feel like paying $12.95 to be harassed. I just wish it didn't have to end on such a sour note. Not sure why I posted this.... maybe just looking for some reassurance that not everyone is such a prick in this game.

[Mog]

Wow.

This guy sounded like a real asshole kid. Why do you respond to people like that? In the case that someone harrasses me, I either ignore them or GM them. As with real life, you kinda have to deal with these people.

Funny story of myself. I was turning in yag necklaces with a taru friend of mine and this line of tarutarus come toward us. I say "Tarutaru Power" and this hume that was standing near us said "FU" in say. I didn't respond to the n00b because he wasn't worth my time, but my taru friend did a nice emote right before we teleported.

***** flips off hume and teleports away.

I asked her why she did that. She didn't really tell me, but she got a /tell from the hume, saying that tarutarus are the shit of the earth. Truthfully, some people in this game are not worth looking at/talking to. Just being around them will make you descend to their level.

Anyways, I'm sorry you felt the need to cancel the game because of one moronic person in-game. This game is meant to be fun, not to be harrassed by kids.

[eticket109]

Personally, I don't think I wore much of the AF set in XP at all. I think the gloves were the only piece I used regularly. I don't remember though. I typically only worry about wyvern hp+ stuff if I sub mage for something as party deaths aren't much of an issue usually with spirit link and the short call timer.

I can understand why he thought you were gimped I guess but that was a pretty shitty way to go about voicing his opinion. You were better off leaving the shell. I doubt I would have left the game over something like that but it seems from your post that you were looking for an escape from the game and found it.

Good luck and all the best in real life.

[Raydeus]

Well you gotta understand most high lvl linkshells revolve around gear and bragging rather than fun (it becomes like a job really).

Also, one would think DRG is worst jobs to level up, I guess they must have the Purple Curse or something, and some of the DRG that do make it to lvl 75 are so bitter and emo that they will bash others like that guy did to you.

He is blaming you for all the times he didn't get invites to a party and got told he (in this case for being a DRG) sucked, he was gimp etc. etc. Those bitter players blame lack of uber gear for a situation that has more to do with player perspective and playstyle than anything else, but not much you can do about it.

You shouldn't quit the game just because of that though, if you have fun with your job you can even solo to 75 if you have to, and if all you need is a better LS there are thousands of players in the server and most of them aren't like that guy just gotta get to know more people. Now, if you aren't having fun anymore with the job then you can take a break or play other jobs or do something else from the hundreds of things to do in game.

[Jei]

D:

Don't let 1 random bullshit ruin your game. I'm sure you have tons of other good friends playing.

[Greylynx]

I can understand why he thought you were gimped I guess but that was a pretty shitty way to go about voicing his opinion. You were better off leaving the shell. I doubt I would have left the game over something like that but it seems from your post that you were looking for an escape from the game and found it.

The whole DRG AF sucks thing is beyond me really. Why does it suck? Because everyone on allah says it does? I mean lets think about it:

Gloves: +10% ACC for Wyvern. Considering I have +40 ACC and I am eatting sushi its not like I need the ACC from the battle gloves, right? Maybe a good thing for this slot would be some of the NM gigas braclets though.

Legs: +10% HP for Wyvern = +10% Damage on his breath attack (or +10% healing on his Healthing breath). I don't think thats insignificant.

Feet: With AF Feet on, I find that High Jump is usually enough to turn hate back on tank (which happens alot, especially with Ninja tank, when Berserk is on, or fighting something weak to piercing,) so this means I can go all out without holding back as I can now shed hate twice in 3 minutes (w/ Super Jump too of course). This is also nice when a THF plants SATA on me, and I can jump it off without worrying about timers.

So if you think about it, its not really that bad huh?

On your second point, about looking for a reason to leave, you caught me actually. Gilsellers have pushed me out of my trade, most of the high level people are pricks, the game was eating into my personal life and even my job, and frankly "endgame" was only going to get worse. I thought Assault would be a good psuedo-endgame activity without the stress, drama, and time commitment (which is BTW what SE intended assault to be) but its turns out its the same old BS.

[Lmnop]

I noticed you didn't list rings >.>

as long as they have a +3 or higher on them, you're good.

Seriously, you have an SH and GK lance. There is no reason to call you gimp on that grounds. I have something to break to you though: I find those sorts of LSs to often be nothing but pricks. LSs seem to be always 88% nice or 88% dicks. You never know 'til an event like that comes up.

btw, this game has a pretty horrid community. I guess I really don't have any experience with other MMOs, but I never realized before this game just how easy it is to become one of the ignorant masses. People get to level 75 easier than um... something really easy. But then they think they know everything, and everyone else believes them. So before you know it, all the idiots who rushed to 75 are somehow "in the know" about shit they don't understand in the least. Enter KI, entertaining misinformation for the common folk.

Honestly, I wish more of us could quit. It's likely the better move.

I was surfing City of Heroes boards... the game devs even post along with the players. Can you imagine?

[Celeal]

Well, something is wrong with that player... err... how to describe it? My way or the highway?

I guess you just entered a wrong LS. If play an Assault, I expect to play in that Assault and to have fun, instead of waiting in a corner. I play this game for fun, and I value "fun" over those gear.

Those people are sad... play for $12.95 each month, to be a slave of those gear, which is just a digital number...

/comfort

Don't let those sad people affect you.

[Greylynx]

I noticed you didn't list rings >.>

as long as they have a +3 or higher on them, you're good.

Seriously, you have an SH and GK lance. There is no reason to call you gimp on that grounds. I have something to break to you though: I find those sorts of LSs to often be nothing but pricks. LSs seem to be always 88% nice or 88% dicks. You never know 'til an event like that comes up.

I knew I was forgeting something. My rings are the +3 STR ring (Puisannce Ring? I forget the name....) and the +5 ATT Assailants Ring.

Yeah I was spoiled in that my social LS is awesome. I just can't comprehend why people in the rest of the game aren't. ITS A GAME. Its supposed to be fun.

[Caspian]

The guy was a dick, no doubt about it. If he really wanted to discuss what he thought was bad judgment on your part in respect to your equipment, he could've done it in tells and been a lot more respectful.
In respect to your gear itself:
Legs: +10% HP for your wyvern, not as needed in pt situations. Spirit Link should be able to cover you unless he just gets massive hate and starts getting his tail handed to him. Other than that, the 10% breath attack could be macro'd in on WS's.
Feet: I really don't know what other more common options are here, but again the best things about it could be macro'd in for WS's and Jumps.
Just to be clear, he shouldn't have handled it the way he did, and you're right, he is a prick. If you wanted to leave, then I wish you the best, but don't let one jerk run you from a game you might have otherwise enjoyed.
Anyway, you already said you planned to leave anyway, so good luck in all things RL.

[DakAttack]

Dragoons who attempt to be elitist are the ones that buy gil. If you're not humbled by level seventy, you havn't been playing like other people.

[tdh]

I'm sorry you had to leave on such a sour note, but it does look like you just needed that one thing to let you leave.

I've actually been kicked from a party because I showed up to an EXP camp wearing my DRK AF. I only wear the feet, but since I have to carry it, I at least wear it walking around. Before I could even switch to my actual EXP gear, they booted me. I was collecting the rest of my gear when I got the invite, so I had some random crap on to store my gear. They booted me before the first pull, and not even a "do you EXP in that?" DRK AF is pretty useless, I travel in it so it actually gets used. lol

I put on my EXP gear, and /sigh at them. Give them a minute to /check me to see that I'm actually pretty well equiped and Warp out. I suddenly get /tells asking me to come back.

30 minutes later the RDM who objected to kicking me, told me they grabbed a super crappy WAR who wasn't really keeping up their end of the damage.

As the saying goes, "shit happens." Sometimes you just have to duck and dodge.

[LilithAngel]

Dragoons who attempt to be elitist are the ones that buy gil. If you're not humbled by level seventy, you havn't been playing like other people.

HAHAHA That is so true! I'm surprised *any* Dragoon even thought of attempting to act like that, but I suppose I'm looking at the game through the eyes of a Dragoon that came up in the old days. Man, you kids these days...

But I digress. Yeah, the prick was way outta line. I *wish* that DRG was on my sever so I could tear him a new one; we *are* a brotherhood, and we've had to work damn hard to earn our respect in the community (with a good bit of help from SE). It's guys like *him*, not you, that give us a bad name. Leaving the game over what one person said? Your choice, but if I decided to do the same, I'd have never gotten my Dragoon to 75 and load it up with nice stuff from Limbus. (BTW, you see the two victories listed in my sig? Two fights that most people usually bring super heavyweight MB/TPB jobs to, ususally not Dragoons. Yeah, both are fights that were ended by my lance. Yes, that's right, by my *lance*. The lance of a Dragoon. )

As for the gear you listed: the issue with our AF isn't that it sucks, it's that it's mostly situational, and the improvements to our wyvern are marginal at best vs. any improvements that can be made directly to ourselves. You could slightly improve the wyvern's accuracy, or you could drasticlly improve your own attack (and thus, damage) by wearing Spiked Finger Gauntlets. Give your wyvern 10% hp for a few points on thier various Breath Weapons, or put on other leg equips for better overall stats for yourself? The thing to remember is that while buffing the wyvern is nice and all, at best all you can really do is provide a marginal boost at best. You are better off just focusing on improving yourself first; the wyvern can take care of himself well enough.

If you're still worried about the wyvern, then yeah, go ahead and macro that equipment in. Dragoon AF *is* good for that; in fact, that's what I honestly think it was designed for (just like Hecatomb, only a lot less retarded). Yes, I do agree with the prick; you're hurting yourself for a marginal improvement to the wyvern, and in most situations, the wyvern isn't there to equal other pt members, just an extra source of damage. But I don't agree with the way he went about telling you; I'd have stomped him into a mudhole for even *thinking* of acting like that as a Dragoon.

Most people that rushed to 75 are indeed pricks, elitists, idiots, and just plain assholes. But those of us that took our time, we did so to fully understand the job. Any advice we give, the ones that took our time, is only meant to help guide those that come after us to make things easier for them; we help by experience, by what we've seen and gone through, not just some "I'm 75, so this is how you should play" type perspective.

Catch ya later!

[Legal Fish]

I find forum rants like these rather funny. This level 70 DRG is painted as some villain, and that probably wasn't the case at all. I've seen situations like this a hundred times and I got a feeling you are bending the truth in order to get some forum sympathy. While I could be wrong, I have a strong sense the following really happened:

The level 70 DRG checks you and notices that your gear is below average(which it is, especially the rings, but not really gimp, yet worth a mention). He says this to you, telling you that you should work on replacing so-and-so with so-and-so. You reply saying either, 1) that you like your gear and it's stats are better anyway(which you've already shown here) or 2) the player is an elitist and that gear doesn't matter. All the while this guy is probably trying to explain the concept of Melee and WS macro sets or saying that it just doesn't work that way and you are gimping yourself. You are probably very aggressive, opposed to defensive, frustrating not only this high-level Dragoon, but now the entire LS. The DRG is has finally become as aggressive as you, saying that noobie dragoons are the problem, yatta yatta.

Replace Dragoon with any other job and you got half of these "OMG SO ELITIST" forum posts covered.

The Dragoon, may or may not have been "elitist", but more than likely he wasn't harassing you. If you told him you had the gear and switched to it(without mentioning your in-his-opinion uneducated opinion on the matter), probably wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. Like it or not, but he probably knows more about the job than you. This game is a learning experience, instead of becoming bitchy or aggressive when someone more experienced than you gives advice(no matter if the tone is a tad bit elitist), you just take it unless it goes against something you've proven yourself or been advised by someone who you hold in higher value. Get a grip.

PS. Word on the street, it's this whole "we are a brotherhood" thing that is giving DRGs a bad name. Anytime I've seen someone intelligently insult DRG, it's mentioned.

[Greylynx]

I find forum rants like these rather funny. This level 70 DRG is painted as some villain, and that probably wasn't the case at all. I've seen situations like this a hundred times and I got a feeling you are bending the truth in order to get some forum sympathy. While I could be wrong, I have a strong sense the following really happened:

The level 70 DRG checks you and notices that your gear is below average(which it is, especially the rings, but not really gimp, yet worth a mention). He says this to you, telling you that you should work on replacing so-and-so with so-and-so. You reply saying either, 1) that you like your gear and it's stats are better anyway(which you've already shown here) or 2) the player is an elitist and that gear doesn't matter. All the while this guy is probably trying to explain the concept of Melee and WS macro sets or saying that it just doesn't work that way and you are gimping yourself. You are probably very aggressive, opposed to defensive, frustrating not only this high-level Dragoon, but now the entire LS. The DRG is has finally become as aggressive as you, saying that noobie dragoons are the problem, yatta yatta.

Replace Dragoon with any other job and you got half of these "OMG SO ELITIST" forum posts covered.

The Dragoon, may or may not have been "elitist", but more than likely he wasn't harassing you. If you told him you had the gear and switched to it(without mentioning your in-his-opinion uneducated opinion on the matter), probably wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. Like it or not, but he probably knows more about the job than you. This game is a learning experience, instead of becoming bitchy or aggressive when someone more experienced than you gives advice(no matter if the tone is a tad bit elitist), you just take it unless it goes against something you've proven yourself or been advised by someone who you hold in higher value. Get a grip.

PS. Word on the street, it's this whole "we are a brotherhood" thing that is giving DRGs a bad name. Anytime I've seen someone intelligently insult DRG, it's mentioned.

Although you have no reason to believe me, and I suspect you won't, I can honestly say that the transcript I have provided is accurate. I went out of my way not to argue with the DRG because it was my first day in the LS and I wanted to make a good impression. Besides it wouldn't make much sense for the new guy to argue here, considering the higher level DRG probabally has a dozen freinds in the LS and I don't. I know I don't have "uber" gear or whatever and I don't claim too.

Yeah maybe this post is just like a thousand other "rants", but I felt the need to post it. This community has always been supportive of me, and I wanted to hear the DRG in this forum say "That was out of line" simply to restore my faith in the game.

Maybe this discussion is a waste of time, but I have to say your comments are the only ones that have been unpreductive. And unless you are a DRG I don't think you understand the brotherhood, and frankly outsiders wouldn't.