[Darkani]

Im tierd to hear all drg complain about how they cant get party and do crap damage and all that.
Im lvl 65 now, almost 66 an have never had problems getting party. And in party I outdamage all other melees except for rng and that without Wyvern.
At least the numbers I get from my parser says Im doing most of the damage.

My equip:
GK lance
Valkyries mask
Mermans gorget
Assault earring
Mermans earring
Feral jerkin
Battle bracers +1
2xSniper rings (Lightning ring)
Amemit mantle +1
Life Belt
Feral Throusers
Drachen Greaves



And I dont care about if we do crap damage on bones the last 5 lvls when we have been one of the best DD 65-70 lvls before that.
Some of our WSs sure sucks but over all we do very good damage.

I think it is DRGs that destroy our own popularity.

[Sabastion]

Blah blah blah I'm a high lvl, I magicly outdmg everyone blah blah blah I'm not giving you proof blah blah blah.
STFU The only people that whine about drg are people whining about the ones that know drg needed some changes.

[tdh]

DRG seems to have been given a bad name after the TP nerf. I think some people just downgraded DRG to useless after that "update."

At Lv.51 I see tons of DRGs and MNKs with their flags up for hours. I've partied with a few at this level, they don't suck, but they don't do as much damage as myself or a MNK do. And fighting a lot of gobbys, or Anticans with AoE attacks, the Wyvern isn't out or alive long.

I would agree that DRG needs some fixing, but they're not as horrible as they seem to be viewed as of late.

[bbcradical_ed]

One reason I can't party with DRG much? Skillchains

I have nothing against DRGs. Neat looking job, but unfortunately, until lv 71/72, DRG and I can't do a Lv. 3 SC (darkness).

Nothing against DRG, but i can't work with DRG well. (possibilities for SC are Transfixion and Induration I believe (no map with me)). On some mobs, that's fine, but others, no.

But you can't complain with a DRG + THF combo I see those quite often and wish I could join

[tdh]

For me, (DRK) it's hard to get a ~good~ Skillchain with a MNK. We can do it, but it requires one of us to use one of our worse Weapon Skills. (Shadow of Darkness - Raging Fists = Impaction \ Backhand Blow - SA Nightmare Scythe = Darknes)

I've done some good damage in skillchains with a DRG/THF. SA Double Thrust - SA Nightmare Scythe. Each one doing 360-450dmg. But you being a SAM, your whole game is setting up Skillchains.

[Darkani]

Sabastion: ok mister know-it-all I guess if I show the logs youll say I edited them so any other idea how I shuld give your proof?

Thanks to all who try and make people know what drg really is.

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by Darkani
Sabastion: ok mister know-it-all I guess if I show the logs youll say I edited them so any other idea how I shuld give your proof?

Thanks to all who try and make people know what drg really is.

[Jayna]

Originally posted by bbcradical_ed
One reason I can't party with DRG much? Skillchains

I have nothing against DRGs. Neat looking job, but unfortunately, until lv 71/72, DRG and I can't do a Lv. 3 SC (darkness).

Nothing against DRG, but i can't work with DRG well. (possibilities for SC are Transfixion and Induration I believe (no map with me)). On some mobs, that's fine, but others, no.

But you can't complain with a DRG + THF combo I see those quite often and wish I could join

Funny you say that since Dragoon and Samurai are one of the easiest pairs to skillchain together. You can do Compression, Transfixion, Gravitation, Detonation, Distortion, Induration, Fragmentation, Liquifaction, Fusion and Impaction renkeis. As for your not having a Lv. 3 darkness skillchain, you can make one at level 65 with: Tach: Jinpu > Penta Thrust > Tachi: Gekko.

[Dark Queen]

Darkani, we complain about DRG POST-66. The complaint isn't that our regular dmg is low, it's that our WS are subpar compared to everyone elses. At this level you're mainly going to be doing Light SC's almost exclusively til 75 (it's rare that you will do Darkness). And guess what, Wheeling Thrust averages 200 dmg or so, while everyone else will be doing over 1k dmg :3 Skillchains, and the MB following it, are what totally destroys mobs. So you tell me.

[Darkani]

You can have a point there. So far its been good. And if they make Wheeling Thrust better now we can continue to do good damage

Sorry if I talk about things I dont know much about yet. But I see many drg under 60 say they suck and thats not true if you not using extremely sucky equip.

Imo drg is one of the best DD at least to 65

[bbcradical_ed]

Funny you say that since Dragoon and Samurai are one of the easiest pairs to skillchain together. You can do Compression, Transfixion, Gravitation, Detonation, Distortion, Induration, Fragmentation, Liquifaction, Fusion and Impaction renkeis. As for your not having a Lv. 3 darkness skillchain, you can make one at level 65 with: Tach: Jinpu > Penta Thrust > Tachi: Gekko.



the 3 parts sc kinda destroys having a sam and blm in pt on occasions I don't have endlesst tp

[GSDragoon]

Originally posted by Dark Queen
Darkani, we complain about DRG POST-66. The complaint isn't that our regular dmg is low, it's that our WS are subpar compared to everyone elses. At this level you're mainly going to be doing Light SC's almost exclusively til 75 (it's rare that you will do Darkness). And guess what, Wheeling Thrust averages 200 dmg or so, while everyone else will be doing over 1k dmg :3 Skillchains, and the MB following it, are what totally destroys mobs. So you tell me.

/em prays that the patch will be good to us DRG's.

[Blood Red Poet]

Blah blah blah I'm a high lvl, I magicly outdmg everyone blah blah blah I'm not giving you proof blah blah blah.
STFU The only people that whine about drg are people whining about the ones that know drg needed some changes.

Bah, I get warning points for calling someone stupid for saying the expansion pack will suck, and this cocky person gets away with this >.>; bullshit.

[Khaeos]

Ok, to all this, to which there are points that are true on both sides, I would merely like to point out something.

If you truly worked on your DRG, diversified him, then yes...he can be comparable to others. Many are just stuck in a linear rut as to the way DRG should be played.

As for WS and SC's, Its been confirmed that Wheeling Thrust is going to be enhanced in CoP. Now, if they enhance it as much as they did the DRK ws, then you will no longer have to worry about SC's or damage ever again.

My point is this. Each job deserves a chance, given by the people who playthe job. There is always a way to get around any difficulty.

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
Bah, I get warning points for calling someone stupid for saying the expansion pack will suck, and this cocky person gets away with this >.>; bullshit.

Boo-hoo?

Seriously theres Dozens of threads on what drg needs to be fixed, accuracy of jump's, Hexastrike practically outdamging Wheeling thrust, -% penaties on plm. Theres always intelligent conversation until some over zealous drg probaly only lvl 30 or under comes in and claims to outdmg everyone 'cause they're so 1337 blah, blah, blah.
If you want a discussion why you think drg is 100% balanced with all other jobs and needs Nothing to be changed then post intelligent information post those parser logs you have rather then just say you have them, explain everyones equip, situation, how you over come penaties on certain mobs ect, ect but don't start threads calling people whiners just because you clam to be uber.