Resizing models

Supersly · 07-08-2006, 11:57 PM

Im new to modding and I wanted to shrink down the size of a particular npc model to use in place of another, how can I do this. I have Meta and the Model Viewer already, is there anything else I need?

dabadking · 07-09-2006, 01:27 AM

shrink as in what exactly? ...theres a lot of things that can go wrong with shrinking...mainly if you want the resized monster to move..Ive heard theres a lot of things to take into account when resizing actual moving mobs, but I havent personally tried to resize an NPC and use it as anything other than adding to a piece of armor or a weapon. If you could explain what exactly you want to resize and what you are looking to use it as, I could explain a bit more.

Supersly · 07-09-2006, 07:56 AM

I was hoping to size down the Bahamut model so I could use it in place of another one of the summoner avatars.

dabadking · 07-09-2006, 10:59 AM

just use meta and take the rectangle selection tool, make sure you dont have "front vertices only" selected and then highight the whole model. then click on the scale tool and shrink it down to the size you want. I'm not sure if it will mess anything up on the model, but hey you can always just change it back if you have a back-up ^^

Lucres · 07-09-2006, 11:06 AM

Shrinking/enlarging models can distort skeleton alignment, making animations... er, interesting.

dabadking · 07-09-2006, 01:37 PM

lol I had a feeling it would...well, they can always just reuse the old one if its too bad

Macht · 07-09-2006, 04:33 PM

Well one way it might work is take an existing skeleton of a monster with similar shape (Mob will end up moving like the mob you took the skeleton from). In that way when you size it down and map the skeletons back it should move somewhat normal without unusual vertex movements.

So depending what size they want, Bahamut shunken down it's shape looks like it might work with a few smaller mobs that could have that kind of skeleton.

Otherwise if you want to do it with a good chance of the smallest movement errors, probably the best program that'll do it for you is VRS. When you scale up or down it adjusts the mesh's position so it's movements are still pretty acurrate.

I've done some resizing from it and the objects movements seem fine, just make sure when you scale it you scale the XYZ all the same amount or it doesn't work right.

dabadking · 07-09-2006, 06:33 PM

yeah...with that being said...would a Vrtra sized wyyvern work decently? ...if so, anyone want to have a try at it? I know theres already a vrtra SKINNED wyyvern out there but..it would be a lot cooler to have all the spiked parts, and head model etc etc on it ^^

Supersly · 07-09-2006, 06:37 PM

great, thanks for the help guys, I'll try giving your suggestions a try.

Feba · 07-09-2006, 06:46 PM

At the Vrtra wyvern comment, yes.

Check my filefront, hosted.filefront.com/feba, and download the WyvernSwap video or w/e. Picture of Ouryu in East Saru >_>

Problem with it is, the model will get in the way of your camera. A lot. as in, usually you're seeing dragon guts. I'd advise against it, if you're the Dragoon anyway.

dabadking · 07-09-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Feba

At the Vrtra wyvern comment, yes.

Check my filefront, hosted.filefront.com/feba, and download the WyvernSwap video or w/e. Picture of Ouryu in East Saru >_>

Problem with it is, the model will get in the way of your camera. A lot. as in, usually you're seeing dragon guts. I'd advise against it, if you're the Dragoon anyway.

yeah XD I know what you mean...I swapped out one "wyvern" said black wyvern....damn thing took up my whole screen..but what he meant was shrinking that HUGE model down to wyyvern size in meta after giving the monster a pet wyyverns attributes in VRS(meaning it would fly and everything just like a normal wyyvern) THATS what I would like to see! sorry was kinda misleading in my last post

07-08-2006, 11:57 PM	#1
Supersly Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Resizing models Im new to modding and I wanted to shrink down the size of a particular npc model to use in place of another, how can I do this. I have Meta and the Model Viewer already, is there anything else I need?

07-09-2006, 01:27 AM	#2
dabadking Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 417 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Resizing models shrink as in what exactly? ...theres a lot of things that can go wrong with shrinking...mainly if you want the resized monster to move..Ive heard theres a lot of things to take into account when resizing actual moving mobs, but I havent personally tried to resize an NPC and use it as anything other than adding to a piece of armor or a weapon. If you could explain what exactly you want to resize and what you are looking to use it as, I could explain a bit more. __________________ A LMFAO production: How to Kill a Ninja---- http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...76&q=askaninja 98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature

07-09-2006, 07:56 AM	#3
Supersly Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Resizing models I was hoping to size down the Bahamut model so I could use it in place of another one of the summoner avatars.

07-09-2006, 10:59 AM	#4
dabadking Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 417 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Resizing models just use meta and take the rectangle selection tool, make sure you dont have "front vertices only" selected and then highight the whole model. then click on the scale tool and shrink it down to the size you want. I'm not sure if it will mess anything up on the model, but hey you can always just change it back if you have a back-up ^^ __________________ A LMFAO production: How to Kill a Ninja---- http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...76&q=askaninja 98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature

07-09-2006, 11:06 AM	#5
Lucres Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 173 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Resizing models Shrinking/enlarging models can distort skeleton alignment, making animations... er, interesting. __________________

07-09-2006, 01:37 PM	#6
dabadking Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 417 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Resizing models lol I had a feeling it would...well, they can always just reuse the old one if its too bad __________________ A LMFAO production: How to Kill a Ninja---- http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...76&q=askaninja 98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature

07-09-2006, 04:33 PM	#7
Macht Pai Pai Lackey Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,234 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 4 Thanked 29x in 24 Posts	Re: Resizing models Well one way it might work is take an existing skeleton of a monster with similar shape (Mob will end up moving like the mob you took the skeleton from). In that way when you size it down and map the skeletons back it should move somewhat normal without unusual vertex movements. So depending what size they want, Bahamut shunken down it's shape looks like it might work with a few smaller mobs that could have that kind of skeleton. Otherwise if you want to do it with a good chance of the smallest movement errors, probably the best program that'll do it for you is VRS. When you scale up or down it adjusts the mesh's position so it's movements are still pretty acurrate. I've done some resizing from it and the objects movements seem fine, just make sure when you scale it you scale the XYZ all the same amount or it doesn't work right. __________________ Cheezy Test Result (I am nerdier than 96% of all people. Are you nerdier? Click here to find out!)

07-09-2006, 06:33 PM	#8
dabadking Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 417 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Resizing models yeah...with that being said...would a Vrtra sized wyyvern work decently? ...if so, anyone want to have a try at it? I know theres already a vrtra SKINNED wyyvern out there but..it would be a lot cooler to have all the spiked parts, and head model etc etc on it ^^ __________________ A LMFAO production: How to Kill a Ninja---- http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...76&q=askaninja 98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature

07-09-2006, 06:37 PM	#9
Supersly Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Resizing models great, thanks for the help guys, I'll try giving your suggestions a try.

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