[Murphie]

I finally got my DNC to 15 just a few minutes ago. It's double EXP ring day for me, so I shouldn't have any trouble getting to 16, which is where I'm stopping for a few days while I catch up BRD and COR to the rest of my level 16 jobs (I'm trying to clear out inventory space by using up all of my common gear.) I have a pair of Republic Knuckles, which seem fine, but I kind of wish I'd thought to try out a Bilbo with a different sub.

I swear though, taking this job to 37 is going to break me.

[Callisto]

Nice, congrats and let me know how much easier it gets w/ Curing Waltz, since you and I are apparently the only 2 idiots having trouble leveling DNC. And also, thanks for reminding me, double-ring day for me tonight lol! Hopefully our Nyzul runs wrap up earlier and I can fend off g/f asking me to farm her Fei'yin chest key and get 15 tonight.

[Murphie]

So far all I can say about Dancing Waltz is that I look adorable doing it. I haven't had much opportunity to test it out though, since my HP never gets very low.

[Callisto]

Well, I suppose that's pretty important as well. I'm an Elvaan in a Footman's Vest and Leather Pants, my Sambas are a little scary.

[Murphie]

Ok, so Dancing Waltz is HAX, Callisto. I just went to Carpenter's Landing and easily soloed a T+ Orc.

[Armando]

That's what I figured. Considering it's pretty much guaranteed to recover around 70 HP and only costs 20 TP, I can't really imagine you losing HP at a rate so quick that you wouldn't be able to sustain yourself against anything T and below. Especially since every 10 hits the mob lands grants you enough TP for a Curing Waltz.

Might want to break out the /BST again at 15, Callisto ;o (You're going to have to offset the lost damage from using TP to heal somehow.)

[Callisto]

My main concern is my BST is only 14, and I'm on the fence about whether BST main level correlates to Charm success or not, I'm still under the impression that that's a rumor, but it has a strong following.

[Murphie]

So, Orcs/Bees gewd, beetles above EM, bad. :/ I mean, I'm still alive, but it was a close one. Good exp rate tho. Of course, EXP ring is skewing my results.

[Celeal]

If you have a chance to join a full exp. party between level 20 ~ 29, I suggest DNC/RNG for the Acc. Bonus Job Trait. It really make a difference between landing Quickstep (mob evasion down) or wasting 10 TP for missing the Quickstep.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by Callisto

My main concern is my BST is only 14, and I'm on the fence about whether BST main level correlates to Charm success or not, I'm still under the impression that that's a rumor, but it has a strong following.

I tried charming Wajoam Tigers as 75BRD/37BST when my BST actually was level 40. Full CHR build and Light Staff and tigers conned DC and EP.

They ate me alive. Three mischarms before I died - Lullaby didn't mean much, these tigers still caught up to me I'd wager my 65 RDM wouldn't have the same problem now that my BST is 66.

[Armando]

It was a long time ago but I recall I've failed horribly at charming TW mobs. Granted, my BST sub was underlevelled (i.e. below half my main), but still. I've never seen any empirical testing done on it and I haven't done any myself either, but I'm quite convinced there's truth to it.

And yeah, you should stay away from PLD mobs in general (beastmen PLDs are even worse, they'll stall you with their cures.)

Also, if the terrain/camp allows and the mob type is appropriate, there's a certain trick to avoiding close-range TP moves. If you're running away at full-speed (i.e. not that slow retreat you do when locked on) mobs can't get off their TP moves without you getting out of range during the Ready phase. For some reason, if you run backwards in first-person mode, your character runs normally but the game registers your character as still facing forward. This lets you run away while fighting.

It's obviously not practical to be running the whole fight, but if you know how mob TP gain and useage works it's not too hard to anticipate TP moves. It also helps that you can run (backwards) in a circle rather than in a straight line, that way you don't deviate much from where you were fighting. I've done it against Shadows in Fey'Yin running around the rooms to avoid Dimensional Death, which is pretty much the only TP move they have. It'll work against any melee close-range attack - Goblin Rush, Sickle Slash, you name it. Maybe even Final Sting as well.

[Callisto]

I only got about 15 minutes to work on DNC last night b/c Nyzul ran late, but so far I'm doing the EP-DC worms outside in East Ron S, at level 13. It wasn't that bad but these things hit like a friggin brick for EP-DC for some reason, I don't recall them hitting this hard, lol. I have about 195 HP, they were consistently doing 18-20 a hit on the DC's, and the EPs really weren't much lower. Should an EP really be doing 10% of my health per hit at this level, or a DC even for that matter?

[Murphie]

I found that all the mobs in East Ronfaure [s] hit really hard. On my RNG I ran into some trouble when I tried to branch out from worms.

[Callisto]

I just got back to it a few minutes, ago, and strangely the exact same mobs only hit me for 5-10 now, although I do have Sigil on now and didn't last night...

I did have one funny fight w/ a DC worm a few minutes ago, the fight lasted 6 total hits between the two of us, all crits. I killed him in 4 and he did like 1/3 my health in 2, lol.

[Murphie]

Well, I do take hits like a girl. So it was probably just me.