Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum?

Evion · 09-19-2007, 07:29 AM

So, I'm getting sick of bashing on bad guys and need some time away. I'm considering different crafts to jump into. I spent 5 hours yesterday fishing and nearly got lv 4. I also spent an hour in the past on Alchemy and got lv 1. That COST me! I don't think I'll be trying Alchemy again... I was considering Clothcraft. After reviewing recipes on FFXIAH, I think that there are a few profitable ones that would be a great start to that craft. What do you guys think? Is Clothcraft really one of the most expensive? Please let me know what you think, because I'm about to become seriously invested...

Thanks,
Evion

Callisto · 09-19-2007, 07:31 AM

Read also: Weaver

Add: Alchemy shouldn't cost a thing to get to level 4, do Tsurara.

Evion · 09-19-2007, 07:35 AM

Seriously, the items would be lost/failed during synthesis I'd say 3/4 times. It was getting pretty expensive. AND! The Tsurare weren't selling... I heard that each character is randomly a little better or worse at different crafts. (innately) Any truth to that?

Mhurron · 09-19-2007, 07:41 AM

Tsurara is a loss on many servers, but Callisto is right, you shouldn't be taking a big loss doing Alchemy.

Following a lot of guides that were written a few years ago will probably net you crafting at a loss though.

Callisto · 09-19-2007, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evion

I heard that each character is randomly a little better or worse at different crafts. (innately) Any truth to that?

I'm going to have to go with "No." on that one.

Evion · 09-19-2007, 07:51 AM

Alchemy should be cheaper huh?... I thought that my character might be innately worse at Alchemy. I burned through 60K+ on Tsurara and got one level! Oh well, maybe I was doing something wrong...

Vyuru · 09-19-2007, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Seriously, the items would be lost/failed during synthesis I'd say 3/4 times. It was getting pretty expensive. AND! The Tsurare weren't selling...

No offense, but if you think Tsurara are expensive, they are probably the cheapest thing to skillup on. Also you may want to consider a different synth (antidotes) to get your skill a little higher on and then go to Tsurara if you break so often on them.

I don't think that Weaving is that expensive early on so long as you are smart about how you do it. Just do your research (or view my guide!

) and you should be fine.

Kirsteena · 09-19-2007, 08:03 AM

Don't just buy all synth items from the AH, look around at the vendors. Tsurara are dirt cheap to skill up on - go to Sandy, plonk yourself in Raimbroys (sp), and use the cheap rock salt and distilled water.

Mhurron · 09-19-2007, 08:03 AM

I don't think you can count.

Lunaryn · 09-19-2007, 08:06 AM

...how the hell do you blow 60k on Tsurara? The crystals are probably the most expensive part of that synth.

At any rate, Tsurara has a skill cap of 6. At skill 0, you can't skill from failures, and your failure rate is relatively high. Either start on Antidote, or read up on crafting theory and do your Tsurara synths under Success conditions (and free image support until you hit skill 1-2).

Evion · 09-19-2007, 08:08 AM

Why can't I count? Anyway, if I was to start Clothcraft, what would be your suggested start-off money?

Mhurron · 09-19-2007, 08:22 AM

On your server, if you bought all the items off of the Jeuno AH, 60k would make a little over 18 stacks of Tsurara (it's 180 separate synths). Significantly more then would be required to take you over 1 level.

On top of that, I'm also betting that you're counting your loss as what it cost you to make but not sell. Tsurara cost (on your server) 332gil assuming no HQ's. They sell for 202, netting a 130gil loss per synth. To genuinely loose 60k, you would have to have made 540 Tsurara synths. You would have capped at 6 long ago.

In short, I don't think that you can count.

Lunaryn · 09-19-2007, 08:24 AM

I think you see losses for the first several clothcrafting recipes. I think the first actually profitable synth was Linen Thread in the 20s.

Vyuru · 09-19-2007, 09:31 AM

Quote:

I think you see losses for the first several clothcrafting recipes. I think the first actually profitable synth was Linen Thread in the 20s.

If you wanted to you could see profit on the grass stuff, but I'd recommend saving it for skillups later on instead of selling it. You skillup faster and it costs you less that way.

Nuriko · 09-19-2007, 09:47 AM

Tsurara were better before ice crystal prices went through the roof. I liked the prices on linen myself, but now I'm up to silk and could make a fair bit on cloth (if people didn't dump 40-odd onto the AH most weekends). Of course, at this point I'm synthing cocoons to thread to cloth to green ribbons for skillup, and have a ways to go before I'm in the best range for that synth...

09-19-2007, 07:29 AM	#1
Evion Finally Back From Lunch Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: May 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 767 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 131 Thanked 43x in 34 Posts My Mood:	Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? So, I'm getting sick of bashing on bad guys and need some time away. I'm considering different crafts to jump into. I spent 5 hours yesterday fishing and nearly got lv 4. I also spent an hour in the past on Alchemy and got lv 1. That COST me! I don't think I'll be trying Alchemy again... I was considering Clothcraft. After reviewing recipes on FFXIAH, I think that there are a few profitable ones that would be a great start to that craft. What do you guys think? Is Clothcraft really one of the most expensive? Please let me know what you think, because I'm about to become seriously invested... Thanks, Evion __________________ Current Server: Asura Current Home Nation: Bastok (Rank 10) Race/Sex: Elvaan/Male Main Job: 75 DRK / 37 SAM,RDM,NIN,WAR,WHM Main Craft: 73 Cloth (Read this at a normal pace...) Tihs Msseage Connat Be Raed By Nromal Huamn Biegns. Pelsae Ntoify Yuor Firedns Taht If Tehy Can Raed Tihs, Taht Tehy Aenr't Namrol...Cnovrresly, Atmpetnig To Raed Tihs Msasege At Nmaorl Pcae And Bineg Albe To, Cna't be Namrol Etiehr...If Yor'ue Albe To Raed Tihs, Tehn Mybae Yur'oe Not Nrmaol.

09-19-2007, 07:31 AM	#2
Callisto Now With More Y! Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 2,377 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 198 Thanked 603x in 351 Posts My Mood:	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? Read also: Weaver Add: Alchemy shouldn't cost a thing to get to level 4, do Tsurara. __________________ Callysto of RamuhCaithsith - 75 RDM / BRD / COR / PLD / WAR / SCH Formerly Callisto of Ramuh. RDM Guide( Updated July '09!) \| COR Guide \| FFXIAH Item Sets & Junk

09-19-2007, 07:35 AM	#3
Evion Finally Back From Lunch Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: May 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 767 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 131 Thanked 43x in 34 Posts My Mood:	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? Seriously, the items would be lost/failed during synthesis I'd say 3/4 times. It was getting pretty expensive. AND! The Tsurare weren't selling... I heard that each character is randomly a little better or worse at different crafts. (innately) Any truth to that? __________________ Current Server: Asura Current Home Nation: Bastok (Rank 10) Race/Sex: Elvaan/Male Main Job: 75 DRK / 37 SAM,RDM,NIN,WAR,WHM Main Craft: 73 Cloth (Read this at a normal pace...) Tihs Msseage Connat Be Raed By Nromal Huamn Biegns. Pelsae Ntoify Yuor Firedns Taht If Tehy Can Raed Tihs, Taht Tehy Aenr't Namrol...Cnovrresly, Atmpetnig To Raed Tihs Msasege At Nmaorl Pcae And Bineg Albe To, Cna't be Namrol Etiehr...If Yor'ue Albe To Raed Tihs, Tehn Mybae Yur'oe Not Nrmaol.

09-19-2007, 07:41 AM	#4
Mhurron Senior Veteran Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,231 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 145 Thanked 1,896x in 1,096 Posts	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? Tsurara is a loss on many servers, but Callisto is right, you shouldn't be taking a big loss doing Alchemy. Following a lot of guides that were written a few years ago will probably net you crafting at a loss though. __________________ I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are. HTTP Error 418 - I'm A Teapot - The resulting entity body MAY be short and stout.

09-19-2007, 07:51 AM	#6
Evion Finally Back From Lunch Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: May 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 767 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 131 Thanked 43x in 34 Posts My Mood:	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? Alchemy should be cheaper huh?... I thought that my character might be innately worse at Alchemy. I burned through 60K+ on Tsurara and got one level! Oh well, maybe I was doing something wrong... __________________ Current Server: Asura Current Home Nation: Bastok (Rank 10) Race/Sex: Elvaan/Male Main Job: 75 DRK / 37 SAM,RDM,NIN,WAR,WHM Main Craft: 73 Cloth (Read this at a normal pace...) Tihs Msseage Connat Be Raed By Nromal Huamn Biegns. Pelsae Ntoify Yuor Firedns Taht If Tehy Can Raed Tihs, Taht Tehy Aenr't Namrol...Cnovrresly, Atmpetnig To Raed Tihs Msasege At Nmaorl Pcae And Bineg Albe To, Cna't be Namrol Etiehr...If Yor'ue Albe To Raed Tihs, Tehn Mybae Yur'oe Not Nrmaol.

09-19-2007, 08:03 AM	#9
Mhurron Senior Veteran Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,231 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 145 Thanked 1,896x in 1,096 Posts	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? I don't think you can count. __________________ I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are. HTTP Error 418 - I'm A Teapot - The resulting entity body MAY be short and stout.

09-19-2007, 08:06 AM	#10
Lunaryn Knowledge Vending Machine Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bastok Mines Posts: 853 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 155 Thanked 113x in 69 Posts	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? ...how the hell do you blow 60k on Tsurara? The crystals are probably the most expensive part of that synth. At any rate, Tsurara has a skill cap of 6. At skill 0, you can't skill from failures, and your failure rate is relatively high. Either start on Antidote, or read up on crafting theory and do your Tsurara synths under Success conditions (and free image support until you hit skill 1-2). __________________ Kumei, pickpocket of Midgardsormr(Bastok Rank 10) THF75,DRK66,NIN40,WAR37,WHM37,RDM37,DNC37,RNG37,SA M30,DRG22,BLM20,SCH20,BRD11,COR11,BST11,PUP7 Alchemy 72, Smithing 51, Goldsmithing 48, Leathercraft 23, Fishing 20 Koren, San d'Orian Adv.(Rank 6) RDM65,WHM63,SCH37,SMN33,BLM32,NIN25,PLD10,BRD10,WA R5 Woodworking 29,Cooking 20 All celestials(Trial-Size) Myrna, Windurstian Merchant BLM30,WHM25,RDM19 Clothcraft 24 Nyamohrreh, Windurstian Adv.(Rank 2) WAR35,WHM28,MNK21,BLM20,BLU18,DRG18

09-19-2007, 08:08 AM	#11
Evion Finally Back From Lunch Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: May 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 767 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 131 Thanked 43x in 34 Posts My Mood:	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? Why can't I count? Anyway, if I was to start Clothcraft, what would be your suggested start-off money? __________________ Current Server: Asura Current Home Nation: Bastok (Rank 10) Race/Sex: Elvaan/Male Main Job: 75 DRK / 37 SAM,RDM,NIN,WAR,WHM Main Craft: 73 Cloth (Read this at a normal pace...) Tihs Msseage Connat Be Raed By Nromal Huamn Biegns. Pelsae Ntoify Yuor Firedns Taht If Tehy Can Raed Tihs, Taht Tehy Aenr't Namrol...Cnovrresly, Atmpetnig To Raed Tihs Msasege At Nmaorl Pcae And Bineg Albe To, Cna't be Namrol Etiehr...If Yor'ue Albe To Raed Tihs, Tehn Mybae Yur'oe Not Nrmaol.

09-19-2007, 08:22 AM	#12
Mhurron Senior Veteran Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,231 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 145 Thanked 1,896x in 1,096 Posts	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? On your server, if you bought all the items off of the Jeuno AH, 60k would make a little over 18 stacks of Tsurara (it's 180 separate synths). Significantly more then would be required to take you over 1 level. On top of that, I'm also betting that you're counting your loss as what it cost you to make but not sell. Tsurara cost (on your server) 332gil assuming no HQ's. They sell for 202, netting a 130gil loss per synth. To genuinely loose 60k, you would have to have made 540 Tsurara synths. You would have capped at 6 long ago. In short, I don't think that you can count. __________________ I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are. HTTP Error 418 - I'm A Teapot - The resulting entity body MAY be short and stout.

09-19-2007, 08:24 AM	#13
Lunaryn Knowledge Vending Machine Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bastok Mines Posts: 853 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 155 Thanked 113x in 69 Posts	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? I think you see losses for the first several clothcrafting recipes. I think the first actually profitable synth was Linen Thread in the 20s. __________________ Kumei, pickpocket of Midgardsormr(Bastok Rank 10) THF75,DRK66,NIN40,WAR37,WHM37,RDM37,DNC37,RNG37,SA M30,DRG22,BLM20,SCH20,BRD11,COR11,BST11,PUP7 Alchemy 72, Smithing 51, Goldsmithing 48, Leathercraft 23, Fishing 20 Koren, San d'Orian Adv.(Rank 6) RDM65,WHM63,SCH37,SMN33,BLM32,NIN25,PLD10,BRD10,WA R5 Woodworking 29,Cooking 20 All celestials(Trial-Size) Myrna, Windurstian Merchant BLM30,WHM25,RDM19 Clothcraft 24 Nyamohrreh, Windurstian Adv.(Rank 2) WAR35,WHM28,MNK21,BLM20,BLU18,DRG18

09-19-2007, 09:47 AM	#15
Nuriko Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 704 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 20 Thanked 84x in 63 Posts	Re: Why doesn't Clothcraft have a sub-forum in the crafting forum? Tsurara were better before ice crystal prices went through the roof. I liked the prices on linen myself, but now I'm up to silk and could make a fair bit on cloth (if people didn't dump 40-odd onto the AH most weekends). Of course, at this point I'm synthing cocoons to thread to cloth to green ribbons for skillup, and have a ways to go before I'm in the best range for that synth...

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