Pondering COR/DNC build

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Yeah they're for Windurst. 40k Allied notes each. I don't think I'm gonna make any plan to change affilations until all this gear gets out, but SE has put some great incentives out there to switch nations if you want to.

[Callisto]

From what I understand you don't lose your rank or AN when you change, but you do if you change back to a previous nation...those are really nice gloves but I'm sure if I really want to go with being dropped from Holyknight Emblem back to Brass Ribbon, that's kind of a steep penalty.

Add: From BG:

when you switch back you lose your top 2 rank key items ones(holyknight/SteelKnight) and keep the rest.

That's not so bad actually, I think I may just switch to Windy tonight for the gloves then switch back, I was about to lose my HE anyways if I didn't put in some heavy Campaign in the next 3 days.

[Kylen]

I'm tempted to switch to Windy now too; Cobra Unit Mittens look great for any COR that doesn't have Dusk Gloves for melee.

Also, just for Joyeuse-owners, here are the amounts of Store TP that you'd need to reduce your number of Joyeuse swings to reach 100% TP:

Joyeuse: 224 delay, 6.06 tp/hit, 16.5(17) hits to hit 100 with no Store TP.
16 hits: +3.1(4) store TP
15 hits: 10 store TP
14 hits: 17.8(18) store TP
13 hits: 26.9(27) store TP
12 hits: 37.5(38) store TP
11 hits: 50 Store TP

So with just Ecphoria Ring + Cobra Unit Mittens, we get a 16 swing build instead of 17. Add Rajas Ring and Chivalrous Chain, and we get it down to a 15 swing build. Get Skadi Legs and Cobra Unit Cap on top of that, and we get a 14 swing build.

[Callisto]

AFAIK TP #'s are always floored to 1 decimal place at each step(i.e. Joy = 6.0/swing base), so you'd need +5 to get a 16-hit build(that sounds funny to say around my SAM friends), +4 leaves you just short. I can test it out though, I have both the Cobra Mittens and the Ecphoria Ring, I'll try to do that tonight.

Edit: I actually really, really hope I'm wrong here lol, I don't want to have to buy another Chivalrous Chain because it's going to be a nightmare to figure out how to work it into my macros.
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Finally got some group experience with /DNC. It worked very well in small groups and I went to merit it with Selphiie's BRD against trolls. Our main heal was PUP/WHM and I almost could swear he could have come /WAR and just set his automation to Soulsoother, his MP was hardly needed. PUP insisted /DNC wasn't good for him, which I had a hard time believing.

I still got to jump in and WS and SC in places, though it wasn't as frequent, I probably used more cards than bullets the entire PT.

How were your Waltzes as /DNC, and did you do anything special for them(i.e. CHR build)?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

The "nerfing" to /DNC in the update was very minor, but even with that nerfage, I've seen little to no point in bringing CHR gear, maybe use a CHR sushi if it comes down to it, but I didn't see the need so I kept with the usual foods. I'm mithra and bottom rung with Galka for CHR, so if it wasn't a big impact even there, I'm not gonna worry about CHR as /DNC. I hardly worry about it as DNC main anyway.

And, I'm eyeballing this, but my waltzes for the average melee or NIN as COR/DNC were mid 160s pre-update and now low 160 or high 150s. PLD I still get the near the equivalant of a Cure III. Still more than enough for a decent cure.

[Callisto]

Awesome, I was pretty worried that I was going to put all this work into leveling the sub only to find out my Waltz II cured for 100. Hit 24 last night, 13 to go!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Think of DNC's cures in terms COR's Chaos Roll, the Attack Bonus percentages of Chaos Roll values scale with the players comprable to the COR's level, not by a skill level, so as you and your allies level up, get CHR and VIT, your Waltzes will get better.

[Callisto]

The funny thing is, the one event I actually began leveling COR/DNC for I can't even use it in now, I'm pretty much cemented as main healer for Nyzul Isle now, so I only really get to use COR/DNC in Limbus...but I'd hate to not finish something I started, so I'm going to plow through and get the sub done.

[MrMageo]

I have noticed that sambas last a shorter duration, and steps are less accurate when subbed now. Not much of a change but about 5 seconds off samabas.
Also have you had the opportunity to test sch or dnc rolls currious to the effects strength and if its more powerful when a sch or dnc is in group.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

no tests on SCH roll as far as I know, but DNC Roll's effects have been convered in another thread. DNC in PT give +3 HP a tick to the Regen Effect and 11 on DNC gives 14 HP per tick. So with DNC thats 17 per tick on 11s.

[MrMageo]

wow thats pretty sexy

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Cobra Unit Mittens: O

They vaguely resemble the DRK Relic hands and fit the mostly purple motif of my current build, which works out nicely.

Was a bitch writing the piece into my /RNG and /DNC macros, though. I had kept CFGs static on the hand slot until now.

[Callisto]

These replaced War Gloves for me in my TP set macro, the sucky part is finally admitting that my Corsair's Frac is now just town gear, and doesn't really have a place in any of my actual equipment macros anymore. Paluwhan body just doesn't look as good to stand in. :/

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Well, I can just make pahluwhan body work >.> It just comes at the cost of walking really, really slow in dusk trousers. But then, my character is a mithra, so it all just looks fashionable on her

[Callisto]

I finally did get around to testing it, and yeah, Cobra Mittens + Ecphoria Ring leaves you at 99% after 16 swings. You'd need to tack on the Cobra hat or a Chiv Chain in order to get a 16-hit build, and both of those options mean giving up 10 RAcc on your TP build, kind of tossing around on what to do with this atm.

Edit: Durrr, I was forgetting about Brutal Earring. Brutal/Cobra Mittens/Ecphoria would give you a 16-hit build, without needing to trade in PCC/OHat for ChivChain/Cobra Cap, so there's no need to lose any acc or racc.

46 coins to go til Brutal, and if RDM thread drops I still have to upgrade body, then worry about Musical.

More edit: You could actually hit 15-hit build if you have Rajas, you need +12 Store TP to reach it. Rajas/Ecphoria/Brutal/Cobra Mittens/Cobra Cap would put you there.