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Old 08-23-2007, 04:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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After the version update, corsairs across Vana'diel will be the happy recipients of several job enhancements. For starters, the effect of Phantom Roll will be augmented so that the effects can be felt even when neither a large nor Lucky Roll is made. To make a comparison, the efficacy of a corsair's roll will generally exceed that of a bard's song. Should a corsair roll an 11, the efficacy will, for the most part, exceed that of two bard's songs. The length of immobility a corsair suffers during their rolls has also been shortened. In addition, the merit point-accessible ability "Fold" will function to reduce the likelihood of busting, as well as modifying the effect of rolls. We will also be adding new gear that will further increase the range of Phantom Roll. When using the roll and this gear in tandem, even players engaged in combat at some distance from the corsair will fall within the area of effect. And as if that weren't enough, players can even expect new ammunition with rather enticing damage ratings.
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: I just creamed myself!
I too had a jaw-dropping joygasm at this!

But... is this going to render BRDs obsolete in the eyes of many? Whilst I am well aware of the differences between BRD and COR, I am under the impression that too many people assume they are substitute BRDs (oh no BRD seeking, pick teh COR Refreshattackaccuracyomgplz) and therefore, if faced with the option to pick a buffing job that can DD (COR) and the buffing job that can't (BRD), won't they now always pick the COR?

Hell, not that I'm complaining, but I am surprised, to say the least!^^
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: I just creamed myself!
People will pick Bards over Corsair when they want different buffs for their mages and melee. Most Corsair I've played with don't attempt to differentiate, and now that they have ways to increase their phantom roll area of effect there will probably be even less.



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Old 08-23-2007, 05:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: I just creamed myself!
brds still can sleep more mobs =/
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: I just creamed myself!
BRDs can come in only at special times and needs. This here is what i like to call moving on. They want players to buy and unlock their 3rd mmorpg. And they also want players to start using these jobs, because the older jobs are all so familur besides BST.

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There for users will be advancing showing progress in the game. Or this could be a bunch of bull.

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This shall also pull up use within the BST which i have yet to see what this version update will enable it.




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Old 08-23-2007, 11:46 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: I just creamed myself!
I personnally don't think it will change much.
Assuming our rolls are very different. The only similar or rather common buff that would be affected will be "chaos, hunter, ninja roll, even sam roll" These rolls was extremely weak to begin with for high level battles with low rolls. So overall, this will affect only low level corsairs (assuming everyone use double attack, sam, critical ....etc roll @ higher end)

I do not think they will increase power of "double attack, critical rate" As normal roll already could give a range of 5-15% increase in power. (which is alot already, i can't imagine they up double attack to 20-40%....)

People still want brd not only because of aoe sleep but also because they could finale faster then quick draw. Not to mention, their chr focus is higher making sleep less resistent overall.

Until we get "time mage" for hastga roll, i think we will still below brd in some way.



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Old 08-23-2007, 12:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: I just creamed myself!
Originally Posted by SevIfrit View Post
brds still can sleep more mobs =/
And that's what defines BRD for people now?

No wonder most BRDs are such shit.

Make Bards, not Tards.

If I can pull high chains on BRD and keep buffs on members at all times, so can other BRDs. But I've only met a handful that can. CORs already had superior duration in thier corner on buffs, now with additional power to those buffs, BRDs will have even fewer excuses.

I think the following Rolls will get a tweak:

Evoker's - I think the 4, 6 and 7 values will now gain a garunteed 2 MP a tick. With a SMN present, this will always grant time the standard 3 MP a tick, failing that 2 MP a tick + Sanction can also cover that standard.

I think Chaos, Rouge's, Samurai, Gallant, Monk and Fighter's Roll will see a boost in thier effects, probably Beast Roll as well.

I secretly hope Gallant's Roll gets a new effect entirely. Preferably Damage being converted to MP. Yeah there's no job trait for that, but its still better than what we have. Should I point out NIN roll sould really be THF's?

I think Hunter's, Puppet, Drachen, Magus, Ninja and Corsair's Roll will remain untouched. Not much reason to change them.

Seeing as COR is semi-defined as a mage supporter at endgame, i think Wizard, Warlock, Evokers and Healer's Roll will all see boosts to further cement them in that domain, but they will now serve melee a bit better than before.

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong
People still want brd not only because of aoe sleep but also because they could finale faster then quick draw. Not to mention, their chr focus is higher making sleep less resistent overall.
Finale is not faster than Quick Draw. Finale has a casting time, Quick Draw is job ability, its instant. BRD gets more resists on Lullaby than COR does on Light Shot.

Keep in mind you're being dragged to camps earlier than you're supposed to be there because you are a support role. Of course you're going to see resists as a result of being pitted against signifigantly higher mobs. Doesn't matter if what job you are at that point.

Take a COR and BRD out against a Standard IT mob and have them take turns sleeping it. COR will land more sleeps and they'll stick much longer.





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Re: I just creamed myself!
I had a RDM pull Chain 40.

And we can still-

Wait, let me stop right there. ALL THREE ARE AWESOME SUPPORT JOBS, JUST TAKE YOUR PICK, RETARDS.

That is all.

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Re: I just creamed myself!
Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
And that's what defines BRD for people now?
No wonder most BRDs are such shit.
Make Bards, not Tards.
If I can pull high chains on BRD and keep buffs on members at all times, so can other BRDs. But I've only met a handful that can.


Second time im using it.

It is one of the differences between the jobs. Both jobs can pull bards can pull quicker in my experience. Every job is going to have your idiots and it is funny now the small community of Corsairs usually more dedicated to their jobs unlike the influx of people who leveled bard. Corsair is about to get a bunch of "princess" players and people who slack the way off because of the great buff power of cor coming. You will also see alot of people who buff only. Not every player is the same bbq, some people just fail at pulling right? And you should be able to pull seeing you have 3 jobs that pull lol.
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I are serious cat.


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It is one of the differences between the jobs.
And that's great, but its usually waved around by the princess players. No good BRD I know uses Horde Lullaby that much in merit, because there isn't a need to. Foe Lullaby is often more than enough. Horde only comes into play in extremely overcamped areas or places where the melees would have to travel too far to keep chains.




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Originally Posted by WishMaster3K View Post
I had a RDM pull Chain 40.

And we can still-

Wait, let me stop right there. ALL THREE ARE AWESOME SUPPORT JOBS, JUST TAKE YOUR PICK, RETARDS.

That is all.

Also:

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/smooch

/blush

Well good news! I capped Ice Magic AND Convert!!!

A lot of good the former does, because as GonorrheaPanther stated:

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What? RDM knows how to Enfeeble? Since when? I only remember Refresh, Cure, and Haste!
So good luck Corsairs. T_T Good luck.



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I swear some melee would forget their fucking weapon if they didn't have it equipped every time they logged in.
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Wow, this strengthens my resolve to go into corsair




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Re: I just creamed myself!
Yeah, your resolve and the 10,000 others who started/stoped Corsair allong the way , heh.
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Re: I just creamed myself!
So I had my first post-update party as 61 COR today. The setup was MNK RDM PLD DRK RNG and me. Needles to say it was absolutely disgusting. I didn't pay too much attention to the actual # boosts b/c I was having fun playing, but some things were noticeable...like the fact that I missed a Slug Shot in 2 hours, and maybe about 15 normal ranged attacks total.

I got Luzaf's Ring to test out, the affect on range is absolutely huge. I can't give a measurement in yalms or whatever, but I want to say it's between a Wind Instrument and a Stringed Instrument, I don't think it was quite as long as a Stringed.

What I'm really excited for though: Corsair Bullets. They added RAcc+25 to these. I started doing Pulling the Strings as COR last week so that I could have some of these to swap into Slug Shot for higher damage, but now that they have this boost I'm even more excited to swap them in for Slug(I beat the ENM, but no bullets dropped). A RAcc boost that large means that I can use a Fire Staff without fear of missing Slug Shot! I also happen to have some Steel Ingots laying around, so I plan on doing up some Steel Bullets soon too for a bit more damage.

Anyways, let me know how the update is working out for you guys on COR, and someone go find a mop to clean up after BBQ, b/c I'm sure they've drowned in drool by now.



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