New to COR, a few questions

[Tenkia]

Hello, I have a few questions regarding Corsair. I read Omgwtfbbqkitten's guide, but I was still left with a few questions.

First, is Corsair truly the most expensive job in the game as I have heard? I do not have access to guns yet so I have not yet started to see how much money it really costs.

Second, should I use the first gun I get at level 15, or wait till 22 so I can use regular bullets? Bronze seem like a waste to me, but I need confirmation on whether it is actually worth it, as I want to play the job to the best of my ability.

Third, should I be meleeing right now (level 12 atm) with swords and daggers, or should I be subbing white mage and focusing purely on support at this point. I have yet to party so I want to know what will benefit the party most.

Thank you in advance for answering my questions! It should help make the dunes a more enjoyable experiance (as hard as that is the believe!)

PS: First post on these Forums!!!

[Sylvane]

I'll reply, but don't take my replies as the end all be all, my cor is only 20.

I leveled through the dunes with warrior subbed, melee and buff, I used mostly corsair's roll and hunter's roll, until I had access to chaos roll, then I only used chaos and hunter's. The reason I did this is because with whm subbed I had I think a total of about 30-40 mp, which is basically useless. Granted I play a hume, taru character's might benefit more from a whm sub.

I didn't buy a gun at 15, it seemed pointless, as bronze bullets seemed to do about 15 damage when they hit. If you get a party that just NEEDS you to pull, you can always buy darts in Selbina, about 1k a stack iirc

PS. welcome to the forums

[Tenkia]

Thank you, I will definitly take your advice into consideration, and I didn't even now Cor could use darts!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Hello, I have a few questions regarding Corsair. I read Omgwtfbbqkitten's guide, but I was still left with a few questions.

First, is Corsair truly the most expensive job in the game as I have heard? I do not have access to guns yet so I have not yet started to see how much money it really costs.

I would rate COR as the second most expensive job in the game in terms of levelling from 1-75. After 70+, I'd say that expenses get lower thanks to things like Joyeuse and evolving into roles like meritpo pulling.

The expense is rather low for 1-49, thanks to the fact you can buy NPC bullets from 22-49, but overall, I'd say you'd end up spending 2-3 million-ish on ammo just getting to 75, give or take a little bit based on your server.

It may seem like the cost is daunting, but just take your time, look for good NM targets and BCNMs to do any you'll maintain a decent flow of gil to support yourself. If you can craft your own bullets, all the better.

Second, should I use the first gun I get at level 15, or wait till 22 so I can use regular bullets? Bronze seem like a waste to me, but I need confirmation on whether it is actually worth it, as I want to play the job to the best of my ability.

So long as you've levelled Marksmanship through RNG, DRK, WAR or THF in advance (hopefully RNG), there's absolutely nothing wrong with skipping gunplay til 22.

Third, should I be meleeing right now (level 12 atm) with swords and daggers, or should I be subbing white mage and focusing purely on support at this point. I have yet to party so I want to know what will benefit the party most.

Thank you in advance for answering my questions! It should help make the dunes a more enjoyable experiance (as hard as that is the believe!)

/WHM is OK from 1-30 and you're fine skilling up with daggers and swords. I'd lean heavier on swords until you can get access to Archer's Knives at 28, then its strictly knives until high level because Archer's Knives and Trailer's Kukri lend you ranged accuracy bonuses, very useful to COR.

The /RNG sub really starts to shine at 30 and reigns supreme over all other EXP subs at 60+. /Mage and /NIN subs are useful situationally, but they just don't come close to /RNG for EXP. And just to let you know, RNG is almost cheaper to level as a sub than COR is through sub levels, Crossbow bolts (holy especially) and arrow don't run too expensive, so RNG is an easy sub to polish off, RNG is probably one of the most painless subjobs I've ever done.

Over your career, /RNG will lend you two Accuracy Bonus Traits, giving you +22 natural Ranged accuracy before equipment. Additionally, you'll have Sharpshot from level 1 to boost your accuracy and earn Barrage at 60 as COR/RNG. Best overall accuracy and damage over time with this combination.

If you want to get the most out of Quick Draw, you may also wish to level RDM or BLU as subjobs for the curative abilities at Magic Attack Bonus Traits. RDM has Dispel over BLU, while BLU offers Healing Breeze for AoE curing. COR's role at high level is varied and mage subs see more action then.

I would have put BLM in there, as it gives the strongest MAB trait, but its hard to justify its lack of support and curative abilities. /RNG, /NIN and Mage subs tend to offer more utility to the job.

Anyway, that's it. Welcome to the Seagull Phratrie!

[Tenkia]

Thank you so much for that advice! I am definitly willing to go out of the way to farm/bcnm for that much, and I was expecting something higher than 3m. I am already working on rng a bit, so marksmanship will not be an issue because I will have rng 30+ soon so marksmanship will be capped for cor for awhile. I knew going into Corsair that it was going to be expensive, and as such I am prepared to make the cash to fund bullets/average-good gear. Again thank you for your replies, I really value your input.


edit: after I get the archer's knife should I melee at all or just use bullets from then on?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Generally its better to TP with bullets after you get the better bullets at 22+. You can still stand in melee range if you wish to get TP off hits in between shots, but gun should be your primary source of TP until 70. Our knives are just too weak and build TP too slow to make for a primary source of TP, you'll always get better returns off gun until you can use multi-attack weapons.

[Tenkia]

Again, thank you so much. I don't think being a taru will help me melee either, so I will just stick to using guns and buffing ^^

[wrongfeifong]

To be very honest, i only used around 500k on ammo until 68. (my server bullets are 50k-60k and iron 100k)
I never even have to farm for bullets.

You might think i am lying but here is why.

little info, i started the account with whm 1-30, rng 1-38 then corsair 1-68 (now)

1. i leveled /rng from 1-38 with 40k or less capped MM at the end of 38. (also gear is usable on COR as RNG)
2. I leveled cor melee up to 40. (i never pull, and if i do, i use /brd or darts. )
3. 40-50 doesn't grind on bullets, i used only 10 stacks of bullets.
4. after 50...buy one stack iron bullets (100k) and it will last you until 60. By 50 you will grind roughly 2-3 pouch per level.
5. Never brother level ninja, its practically useless if you did not started as whm.
6. if you tell me ninja is for pulling, i rather use whm to pull "Blink +stoneskin + bar spells rules after 60", if you tell me you are meelwith dual weild,..well i won't say anything because you are doing 0-1 dmg with a archer knife (unless you have kukri)
7. Never buy a gun until 56 (matchlock) or wait until hexagun.
8. Level brd, it will help save the cost.
9. Make mana burn party, /brd most of the time.
10. Setup so that equip Iron for QD + slugshot macros. (maybe barrage too) and switch back to normal bullet during normal attack.

So far i could tell you,
40-50 = 10 pouch bullet (about 60k)
50-60 around 2 12xpouch + 1 12x iron (about 230k here) (but i did few level without shooting /brd)
61-68 3 pouch of bullet + 1 stack iron per level (sometime goes to -5 stacks. so far around 200k-300k carry from some bullets from 50-60s)

Cards are pretty cheap, i only used like 2 stack light +dark + 3-4 ice so far.

Now gear wise:
You could just get some weak armor anyway they are pretty cheap, Just eat sushi you will hit anything with the crappiest gear. (however i personnally did get gun belt @30... (which is godly) all +1 items, spectacles, trailer kukri. and +1 rings. And hexagun XD

Now, let's see how these above people will talk^^

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I can sum up my reply in one word:

Ugh.

[Tenkia]

Thanks for the reply, but I take my jobs very seriously and I will NOT just half do it to get to 75 ASAP. I am not just leveling COR because of fast invites/levels. I have researched it and it sounds like the job for me. That being said, I plan to be all I can be as far as effectiveness and usefulness to the party goes, and if I end up using like 5 stacks of bullets/level, so be it, that only means that I will level more slowly, which is not a bad thing, because I know of people that have been playing for 3-4 years and only have 1 level 75 job, but are really really good at it.

I do not just want to be a brd who has cool AF, I want to be a corsair.

edit: was that "Ugh" directed at me or wrongfeifong? Did I do something?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

It was directed at Wrongfeifong. He's a "I'll fix my gimpness in post-production" player. I seriously don't understand why someone revels in underplaying thier role.

And lol at darts. 2nd COR I've heard of that pulls with those. Sure, its lower delay than our guns, but Quick Draw is instantantious, why not pull with Dark Shot if you want to be so cheap? That would at least kind of make sense.

[Tenkia]

Yeah I just read a few of his other threads, he is the perfect example of what kind of player I do not intend to be. As you said on one of his other threads, a new character is not a liscense to be cheap, and while my character is not new my highest job is 53 blm, so I sorta consider myself still a bit of a noob.Anyways, those are words to live by, thanks for clearing that up.

[Kuro]

I can sum up my reply in one word:

Ugh.

Quoted for truth.

[Kixxi]

60 has been an awful stopping point for me on COR with regard to expenses. With the need for Spectacles, Precise Belt, Deadeye Gloves, Trailer's Kukri and Amemet Mantle +1 (all 100 to 200k+) I've had to take a lot of time out to farm the gil for these wonderful items and three weeks later I'm still at 60 (yes have been doing other things too). So point is, that this has been my most expensive moment whilst levelling COR.

Since I began using Iron Bullets (110-120k per 12 pouches) I've started to wince a little each time I pull the trigger too - I've never been a rich player, but I can confirm that pre-50 I didn't find the job that expensive at all.

Good luck!^^

[Tenkia]

Thank You Kixxi, and that is a lot of stuff to farm for O.o, but I am guessing once you finally get those items, your damage output will be improved dramatically. Gl to you in getting them all.

edit: Wouldn't a gun belt be better than a precise belt, because if you sub rng you get +5 racc and ratk?