[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by Cotners

/sigh... BBQ and Wish, are you trying to make me derail this thread? /nin is just selfish in a manaburn. It does nothing but obsorb the single target spells. Perhaps you need a lesson on puddings, they cast -ga spells 70% of the time. If I invite a RDM, BRD or COR it is for support, so saying 'we have better things to do than heal' is a quick way to go back to lfg. The speed of the exp is entirely dependant on the blm's mp. Aside from all that, roaming in a manaburn is much more efficiant than pulling to a camp.

Not trying to be jerk or flame anyone, but don't argue with a blm on manaburning... it's pointless and infantile.

Since the topic question has been answered in full, we can move on this and I will explain my approach in another thread later this evening. However, I've well over two years of manaburn and general burn PT experience, I don't think I have to waste my time picking up BLM from 41 to 75 to know what I'm talking about here.

No BLM has ever invited me with expectation of being a healer - as both BRD and COR. And if they just expect me stand there buffing and curing, they can find someone else because they invited me to a boring PT, its not like I'm hurting for invites on either job.

As for everything else, I'll cover it in the other thread, I've been procrastinating on a manaburn topic anyway.

[wrongfeifong]

I don't know why you even need /nin to pull for mana burn. I found /brd better overall for ballad, even if it only 1 mp/tick its still reduce the downtime.

I do pull, blm with full MP stun + sleep then next set of mob,
I just pull ,run and sleep (light shot). Then Nukes away x5. Then rest abit then redo the steps.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

I don't know why you even need /nin to pull for mana burn. I found /brd better overall for ballad, even if it only 1 mp/tick its still reduce the downtime.

I do pull, blm with full MP stun + sleep then next set of mob,
I just pull ,run and sleep (light shot). Then Nukes away x5. Then rest abit then redo the steps.

There's a thread for this now. I use /NIN to use Light Shot in a more defensive manner and stage pre-emptive strikes more often for the BLMs. Basically, I get three options to avoid damage after drawing the mob's attention versus just Light Shot. A T4 or AM directed at me is a free kill for the BLMs. A shadow absorbs any damage I could have taken. MP doesn't have to wasted on Stun, Cures or Gravity that way.

And when a manaburn camp gets competitive - which it can be often - you just can't be as aggressive with /BRD as you can with /NIN. You can't pull double or off-tank an add with BRD, either. I prefer to be able to function independantly of the other members, /NIN allows me that.

What you believe to save the BLMs in MP with Ballad, I save using my tools and cards. At any rate, if you're in a good manaburn, you'll run out of mobs and the chain will end in the teens at camps like Mount Z.

In other words, there's no wrong subjob for COR in manaburn - its totally preference.

But you just can't prefer /BRD in TP burn and hope to chain well as a puller, at all.

[wrongfeifong]

about the subjobs.
I never tried /nin but with good decent gear (i have +1 everything @ 65 and have spectacles. but still using archer knife (as trailer is abit expensive) /rng sharpshot with food i still have a chance missing a slugshot.

without food, i have 50% missing a slugshot with /rng.

So i can't imagine how much a /nin could even hit.

But /rng is deadly for sure, i pulled aggro off paladin with Sharpshot +barrage slugshot then 1 range attack then slugshot again. Basically if a ninja tank, just the first slugshot + barrage could pick up massive aggro alone.

/rng could really do decent dmg (but eats about 9-10 stacks of bullets per level from 64-65 T.T), i doubt /nin could even come close. I would suggest if you want to do /nin try focus full Acc gears (like life belt, scopian harness, and sniper rings or +atk rings) just to build TP normally and switch gear for Slug shot (using scopian +1 rings and your AF). @ 70+ optical hat = your best choice rather then AF hat. (just switch hat for quick shot)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

If I'm doing /NIN as COR, there is no melee and the focus on shooting is almost non-existant except to pull. Meleeing and shooting as /NIN is a pure waste of bullets in EXP because /NIN is a very weak DD sub for COR..

/NIN is nice for missions and BCNMs to mitigate damage, but even with all the accuracy gear you can muster, /NIN will not come close to the damage output and accuracy of /RNG. /RNG grants +22 Ranged accuracy from the two Accuracy Bonus traits you get from the subjob.

But as I've stated in several threads, I use /NIN for burn pulling and that's pretty much all I use it for. If I'm /NIN, I'm pretty much pulling like a BRD pulls, there is no melee and especially not in manaburn where theres no point to melee there.