[IfritnoItazura]

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

And Lmnop, really, if expense wasn't what made COR unattractive to players, then please enlighten me as to what it is. Lack of knowledge about the job might be part of it, but
the #1 thing I hear after "I want to level COR, but..." is "I don't want to spend gil on ammo."

Actually, most people don't really know what COR's do. And, it doesn't have a nice reputation like BRD. That is why most people don't level it.

As to why people give up COR's after leveling it for a bit, I'd completely agree that Gil is the reason--seems like every so often, someone in the party would ask the newbie COR: "HEY! Why aren't you shooting?!" >_>; That seems to clue them in... Until then, it's all about Dual Wield swords, it seems...

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

Now a day, everyone have at least one 75 class

As others have pointed out, you make strange assumptions... From The 7th Vana'diel Census:



Of all characters Lv.2-75, only 9.16% are Lv.75 in one more jobs. (I'm not one of them, either; highest is Lv.69.)

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

All i want to know is...how did you all rescue chayaya in different area, or either possible for chayaya to come back on her own. I want nothing more then these constant "You should play this class this way, listen to our suggestion because we know best, we are elites and you are a noob"

People already gave you as much info as there is to be had, I think.

By the way, if you are unwilling to address others' concerns, why should they address yours? The logical reply to "I don't care what you want" is "We don't care what you want, either."

* * *

Perhaps if you weren't so intent on such a narrow, self-centered goal as reaching Lv.75 ASAP, you'd made plenty of friends who would be glad to help?

I got a Jelly Ring for my PLD64 not long ago. Not because I'm an awesome solo'er on RDM69--I'm not, and wouldn't have attempted to solo this at all. Not because I'm in a powerful LS--it's a lay back social LS. Not because I guilt/conned bunch of high level people. Heck, I didn't even ask for help with the ring.

While helping out people with multiple WSNM fights, a friend pipped up: "Hey, don't you need a Jelly Ring?" It was late, so I said it wasn't important; no need for people to stay after multiple WSNM's for my sake. Yet, whole bunch of friends just sticked around after the Asuran Fists WSNM, and off we go to hunt a slime.

Hours later, I have a ring which I didn't expect to be able to get for a long time, yet.

What made me much happier than getting the Jelly Ring, though, is knowing I have friends who cared, even when they were hungry, tired, and sleepy as heck. ^_^ It really meant a lot to me.

[wrongfeifong]

BBQ, what good does i get for lying here anyway ? I just made a mistake typed that in as well as i did once in while saying things i never really meant.

and BBQ the reason i like to point out that i don't farm alot because there is no point to farm 1 week for 1 piece of gear when i out level it in 5 hour worth of party.

And seriously beside BBQ, those who are replying to me... any of you have a 75 4-5 month right after you got the game? Most class doesn't take long to level, its you who making it harder to level. And beside BBQ, when i talk about shooting bullets i was ASSUMING, i never shoot bullets or played a DD class. I assumed i could shoot 1-2 bullet per fight because long delay, but it turn out i still spam bullets during sharpshot whenever it is on and i still only eat 1 stack bullet per level.

And for those who keep assuming i don't have friend to help, i do have people willing to help, but i am the type of people that never want to risk/waste my friends time helping me if they do not have any return/gain. Saving chayaya takes 1-2 hour and a big exp loss without raise. That is why i am posting here, unless i absolutely sure where she could be at and how to go there otherwise i am not going.

Enough reply for me... stop looking loopholes in my post and get back to the topic. If not let's just delete this whole thread.

[Kailea]

good then delete it, you don't want to listen anyway, people have told you, there is no other way to get that person back, and you seem to be playing in a very bad manner anyway......Like I said before, if I took one look at your "crappy" gear, I would boot you in an instant. There is no fast way to 75, if you are playing the right way.

[Lmnop]

As of 8-10 months ago (when I got done with my massive SJ push) I still didn't expect WHMs to have erase. They never did and I couldn't blame them. Nowadays, it may be different. But back then, no sane person told WHMs they were gimp when their highest level job didn't even have teleports for taxi'ing money. They simply didn't have 500k. Aksannyi, we would've been proud of you in our LS, but we wouldn't have made you do that. We always treated 40 as the bare minimum level to expect it, since that's when they could feasibly BC it themselves.

'Kitten, your assumptions... Wrongfei also said he "lost" his old account. Not "deleted my character and started over."

Does anyone know how the Census really works? Do they basically do a /sea all every few hours over the course of a week? What I mean is -- what happens to the people with multiple 75s? Do they get figured in multiple times? And if I'm 75 in one job, does that mean I'm not being counted as a 45 THF? Or if I'm on my THF at the time of the /sea sweeps, would I be registered as "THF main" and my warrior not cataloged?

As for COR popularity, my final answer is that you can't know for sure. You can't point to any one issue and simply pass it on as fact. I can tell you one major factor though -- stigma. I know it's not well-based, but it's true that most people think COR buffs vary from "completely worthless" to "on par with a bard." I know, it's fallacy. But any of the rest of you know it as well as I do -- the common player is a sheep.

[Lmnop]

Hellooooooo double post.

Just realized that I need to smack Kailea.

Kailea, stop jumping on every bandwagon that comes around. You seem to enjoy attacking others just because it's a change of pace from people attacking you. I never wanted to be mean to you, but it's like every post of yours that I read, all you're doing is agreeing with someone else about how X poster is such a tool.

If I make a post about how I'm not sure if I should level Paladin with Sword or Greatsword, I don't expect you to bitch at me about timing my cures. This is basically what you guys did. It's one thing to say "Why should we care about you when you don't care about what we say?" but the fact is, you're answering questions he didn't ask. Whether or not he's "gimp" wasn't the topic of this. How hard is this to nail into your skulls?


Wrongfei had to wade through it, but I do think some people gave him some viable information -- they just went all wrong in delivering that information. That said, things like this:

All i want to know is...how did you all rescue chayaya...

are Post Hoc. Don't say "we already told you" because that was him defending his OP, not asking anew. It's obvious this thread cannot go anywhere better here.

[Mhurron]

Originally Posted by Lmnop

As of 8-10 months ago (when I got done with my massive SJ push) I still didn't expect WHMs to have erase.

Just because you don't (to be honest, I don't believe that but thats just me) doesn't mean everyone expects others to be lazy, or is forgiving of it.

[Kailea]

Originally Posted by Lmnop

Hellooooooo double post.
Just realized that I need to smack Kailea.
Kailea, stop jumping on every bandwagon that comes around. You seem to enjoy attacking others just because it's a change of pace from people attacking you. I never wanted to be mean to you, but it's like every post of yours that I read, all you're doing is agreeing with someone else about how X poster is such a tool.
If I make a post about how I'm not sure if I should level Paladin with Sword or Greatsword, I don't expect you to bitch at me about timing my cures. This is basically what you guys did. It's one thing to say "Why should we care about you when you don't care about what we say?" but the fact is, you're answering questions he didn't ask. Whether or not he's "gimp" wasn't the topic of this. How hard is this to nail into your skulls?
Wrongfei had to wade through it, but I do think some people gave him some viable information -- they just went all wrong in delivering that information. That said, things like this:
are Post Hoc. Don't say "we already told you" because that was him defending his OP, not asking anew. It's obvious this thread cannot go anywhere better here.

How hard is it to just accept was is told to you? I agree that COR and some other jobs, should not be leveled until you have more of a foot hold in the game. I am not "jumping on a bandwagon" I am stating my opinion.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura

Actually, most people don't really know what COR's do. And, it doesn't have a nice reputation like BRD. That is why most people don't level it.

Were I to go by it on Titan, there is one COR for every two BRDs and then about 5 RDMs for every 2 BRDs. It's usually 15 CORs online, 30ish BRDs and then 200+ RDMs. But when you factor in AFK, then there's maybe just as many RDMs as BRDs available.

Beyond March, Minuet and Ballad, most people couldn't tell you what else a BRD does beyond pulling and lullaby. I know BRDs that can't tell me what their buffs do, heck, there are high level BRDs that don't know Minuet affects ranged attacks. That's pretty basic stuff to know, too.

NA's didn't even really warm up to it until late in the CoP days and it was usually some dishevelled DRK or DRG that just wanted a job at 75. TP Burn made BRD popular, period. Before that, it was arrowburn and when arrowburn died, for a time, BRD dwindled a little as well, at least in terms of population.

As to why people give up COR's after leveling it for a bit, I'd completely agree that Gil is the reason--seems like every so often, someone in the party would ask the newbie COR: "HEY! Why aren't you shooting?!" >_>; That seems to clue them in... Until then, it's all about Dual Wield swords, it seems...

See? It all boils down to expense after any argument otherwise.

Doesn't matter how many levels you get if expense is a issue for you, you'll quit COR, RNG or NIN if it becomes a conflict or you'll quit some other job. I quit RDM as of last night after CoP 5-3. Its retired for good outside of whatever BCs I may require it for.

[wrongfeifong]

Last post for me...just to inform your all

I got all my dice as of today ( include black mage die), i am zeroing into 54 as we speak. (Chayaya is back for few hour and got captured right i got the dice, i wanted to thank whoever freeed her)

However, i found something odd, i checked in at late night, the prisoner number was 4, 4, 3 ..chayaya missing. Just before the morning besieged she came back! prisoner number stil 4, 4, 3.

Could it be that she come back either way and go back prisoner without besieged ...or besieged just happen middle of the midnight and someone went free her.... i have no idea.

P.S: Sorry to tell you all, corsair is an easy job to level, i manage got all my dices with very little farming (no money aid from anyone nor even killing 1 monster for gil farming) made it to 54 without problem. If i really did get the best stuff for my level Peacock charm, i would prolly be @ 54 by the end of the game.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

P.S: Sorry to tell you all, corsair is an easy job to level, i manage got all my dices with very little farming (no money aid from anyone nor even killing 1 monster for gil farming) made it to 54 without problem. If i really did get the best stuff for my level Peacock charm, i would prolly be @ 54 by the end of the game.

Any support class is easy to level, any moron can refresh and dispel and generally that's the low bar that is set for support classes in this game. Levelling up not the same thing as properly preparing a job, which takes respect and a little dedication, nor is levelling the same thing as trying to excel at the job.

All I have left to say is if this is how you level COR, I shudder to think about how you levelled BRD to 75.

[wrongfeifong]

let's see i leveled brd to 75 by 2004 feb (or around), i was like the 3rd US brd gotten to 75 on my server. I beat Maat on second try with a sword skill of 170. (first was just testing @ 67)

I also gotten in a HNM LS on 70 killing serket 4 time a week and the 2 birds and camping the 2 dragon in tunnels. Gotten over 15 million 2-3 week after. Started to level whm with a vermellion cloak (back when it was like 5-6 million) @ my MH waiting + all +1 elemental staff. Of course because i leveled fast, i gain money fast leveling whm with a 600k erase and such.

I leveled my brd using crab armor + level 40 sword ... I don't even use AF most of the part because i didn't got AF until 65+. I did get 3/5 AF2 before my AF1. I left a month before COP because i already had everything and most classes (nin, smn, blm) are pretty much 37+

You know i see you having multi-75s...why don't you try level one without any aids in money or any sort. Start a new on a server, then follow your rule... Let's see how you like that.

BBQ it isn't easy to keep just refresh on. I am sure you didn't do it but when i leveled i always make sure my pt position correctly, always keeping 2x ballad or 1 ballad +whatever on the PLD (2x mambo for ninja) and 2 other melee (usually for Light SC) will get specific buff. While i make sure ballad are on caster side. Then do the usual Thren, finale, and elgy. I always Measure the radius of buffing before doing it so i never overlay even a second. With movenment of pt i do the same. I am currently doing the same as a cor/brd (50-60 are /brd for me).

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

You know i see you having multi-75s...why don't you try level one without any aids in money or any sort. Start a new on a server, then follow your rule... Let's see how you like that.

Already did it with three jobs, no aid on gear or consumable funds. All paid on my own dime and foundation of farming, BCNMing and the like. I fail to see what starting over a 3rd time would prove. I'd do what I've been doing since DRG, really. And when I get back around to DRG and BST, I'll keep doing what I have.

I still don't get your logic that starting over is a license to cheap your way to 75. You made millions before, you claim to make gil just fine without farming now.

If that is the case, what is the problem with spending the gil? You still haven't answered this. If money isn't an object, then levelling COR with full proper subs and respectable gear should not be an issue.

This is clearly just about getting to 75 ASAP.

I am sure you didn't do it but when i leveled i always make sure my pt position correctly, always keeping 2x ballad or 1 ballad +whatever on the PLD (2x mambo for ninja) and 2 other melee (usually for Light SC) will get specific buff. While i make sure ballad are on caster side. Then do the usual Thren, finale, and elgy.

Dunno where you get this from. I maintained 4-6 buffs at a time on BRD on top of pulling, finalie, elegy, threnody status cures and backup heals back in the day. I get a bit snippy with people who don't work with me to keep at least four rolls on a PT, there's proof of that in the BRD/SMN thread on the front page.

And why the heck would you mambo a NIN past 37? Seems detrimental to the melee around him to do so, not to mention lowering Utusemi recast times with March and raising his attack with Minuet would not only help him tank better, but improve melee output.

[IfritnoItazura]

I think locking this thread is a better alternative than the constant alternation between the OP defending his way of playing, bragging about his ability to level fast, and whining about how everyone else has Lv.75 jobs so he can't be held to the same standards.

The original question has been answered. The rest is just flame-bait... Please lock...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura

I think locking this thread is a better alternative than the constant alternation between the OP defending his way of playing, bragging about his ability to level fast, and whining about how everyone else has Lv.75 jobs so he can't be held to the same standards.

The original question has been answered. The rest is just flame-bait... Please lock...

That I can agree with.

[Taskmage]

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

However, i found something odd, i checked in at late night, the prisoner number was 4, 4, 3 ..chayaya missing. Just before the morning besieged she came back! prisoner number stil 4, 4, 3.

Just adding a bit of info. When you rescue a prisoner, the prisoner count goes down as soon as you open the lock and they warp, but it takes them some time to actually get back to Al Zahbi after they've been rescued. I think it takes about one game day.

Here's the lock.