[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura

I don't understand; if you are not able to rescue the NPC yourself, why not just hold off leveling for a bit, until you can get the roll(s)?

My first job was THF. Once I realized how bad my gears were compared to the better THF's, I stopped leveling it for nearly two months to farm (was a bad farmer--still is) just for gear upgrades.

Now, you don't have to go farm continuously (though you probably should, if you were not treating other jobs you've leveled with due respect), but there's so much one can do in this game you shouldn't run out of things to occupy your time before the NPC is rescued.

I just don't get it either, there's no checkered flag there for you at 75 and continuing to level without Rouge's Roll - and it looks like he'll go right past Fighter's Roll too - is just neglectful. Even Warlock's Roll is somewhat worthwhile at his level.

Look at the bigger picture, please.

There's a lot you could be making an effort to work for that goes well beyond just getting COR to 75. I don't really even judge a COR by endgame stuff, but the things they could have worked toward prior:

Fenrir's Earring
Lightning Ring
Gun Belt
Beater's Earring
Moldavite Earring
Drone Earrings
Ranged Accuracy/AGI Rings
Peacock Charm
Coffinmaker
Fire/Wind/Light Staff
Deadeye Gloves
Jaridah Peti
Jarida Salvars
Racial RSEs
Joyeuse

And lots of other little things.

There's a lot of ground to cover at varying levels, many ways to improve your COR along the way before 75. I didn't have to have all of this stuff, but I made it a point to have a lot of it before I got to 75 and endgame activities.

And I had another character at 75 originally, too. I wasn't the only person out there starting over from the bottom to get back to high level, but I didn't dare level COR again until I had some of these things and that's not mentioning all the things I halted RNG for along the way.

If you really care about your job, you don't stop your PT to ask "How's my Pirating?" You do this stuff instead and let your performance speak for itself.

[Kailea]

yeah best to just level something else till the NPC is back, I level PUP from 10 to 20 while I was waiting to get my dice from that NPC. I bought all the dice to cover myself through 10-37.

[Lmnop]

why all the hate? Are you guys just enjoying finding someone to make a spectacle of? Well then, carry on.

The opinion that not all jobs are meant to be leveled right at 30 is exactly that: an opinion. Don't make it fact and make it advice to someone. A monk at level 40 will have more expenses than any Corsair's dice. I don't see people saying MNK is a "2nd job only."

Not that I support gimping through sub jobs. And sorry, I don't have anything useful to offer you in ways of getting dice.

[Mhurron]

Originally Posted by Lmnop

A monk at level 40 will have more expenses than any Corsair's dice. I don't see people saying MNK is a "2nd job only."

Actually, I have seen that suggested. At the very least, it is a job where you would be expected to stop leveling it for periods of time to drum up some gil.

[Srxjo]

make friends have them help you, ask your LS they might help you

[Lunaryn]

As for where Chayaya is, If you put the cursor on a beastmen stronghold on /bmap, you'll get info including how many prisoners they have. If one stronghold always has the same number of prisoners, or if only one actually has prisoners, that should give you an idea. Check ffxi-atlas.com for maps of the strongholds, that'll show you where the cells are located.

I used to rescue prisoners from Arrapago Reef on my upper-50s THF using stockpiled Living Keys (skill synth from Alchemy) and Skeleton Keys (Key Ring Belt). Once you get the hang of aggro-dodging it's not that bad. There's one cell block I have never managed to rescue prisoners from, the one guarded by two true sight Lamia NMs (the closest one to the entrance), but the other cells are unguarded and you can take as much time as you need opening the cells. I note that I tended to have a LOT more failures picking locks during Gloom weather, so I recommend waiting that out when it happens.

I stopped doing this because, especially given the need to buy oils for Sneak, it's fairly expensive for not that much reward. Waste a stack of oils and two stacks of keys and don't actually manage to rescue someone, and you'll be having second thoughts about it too. Honestly, I think SE needs to at least up the IS rewards on rescuing; I've had runs where I spent more IS getting there (runic portal to Ilrusi Atoll) than I got from subsequent rescues.

I might go back to doing this when I hit WHM or RDM 25, though. The aggro-dodging is good practice, if nothing else.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by Lmnop

why all the hate? Are you guys just enjoying finding someone to make a spectacle of? Well then, carry on.

This started in the Ask SE Questions forum by Wrongfeifong. It wasn't a question, it was an order to SE. He said this was the catalyst for COR's low population, which is laughable.

The opinion that not all jobs are meant to be leveled right at 30 is exactly that: an opinion. Don't make it fact and make it advice to someone. A monk at level 40 will have more expenses than any Corsair's dice. I don't see people saying MNK is a "2nd job only."

I'm afriad Feba isn't totally off the mark. COR is just as much a preparation-oriented job, if not moreso, than RNG. To play a well-versed COR, you'd have to have some considerable experience with RDM, BRD and RNG and what they do to even be prepared to capitalize on the skills of COR. To even level BLU to 75 with a complete set of spells, you'd need Sea access and to solo effectively on BLU or PUP you'd need some BST and RDM knowledge.

That said, MNK is a job that hits stuff with its fists. That's the whole job in a nutshell, if you can show me a job that prepares one for the rigorious training of MNK, I'll happily accept correction. Walk up to a mob and punch it, that's it. A MNK might buy more expensive gear than COR at 40, but COR is spending more in the long haul and not reselling much armor in the process... at least if they're playing it right.

MNK actually sounds Wrong's speed, but I fear he'd skip levelling WHM, a MND build and many worthwhile H2H weapons along the way.

[Aksannyi]

This might not be the best time to bring this up ...

But isn't Chayaya a girl? Tarutarus with one name are female and Tarutarus with two names are male. Thread title phails.

Good luck getting your die though.

[Mhurron]

Originally Posted by Aksannyi

This might not be the best time to bring this up ...
But isn't Chayaya a girl? Tarutarus with one name are female and Tarutarus with two names are male.

This is true. Too many people don't ever notice the little subtleties to Vana'diel.

[Feba]

A monk at level 40 will have more expenses than any Corsair's dice. I don't see people saying MNK is a "2nd job only."

Expenses != Not being able to do a job.

if you read my post at all, you'd realize I'm talking about things like important items, job quests, item quests, etc. Nope, MNK isn't a 2nd job- because those things that a MNK MUST HAVE at lv40 can actually be reasonably done by someone at lv40 (Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brown Belt is lv35~ish mobs, O.Kote is a lv30ish mob, Jujitsu Gi is around lv42ish?) or a small group of people at 40. Said Corsair items cannot.

[wrongfeifong]

OK this time i went to look as a 31whm/rng, i finally notice that widescan actually pick up npc name within the area as level 15 rng. I went in Arrapago island (which require most key) 3-4 time ran around all i could pick up is one prisoner, i have no idea how to enter the 2nd patch of cells. At least i need more lamia key as it seem.

Personnally i don't like to add in the arguement ever further but could you guy even just keep in mind, this is a first job. First job for most player is already very hard, even if i say making money is cake, i don't make alot per hour. Seriously, when i leveled my brd to 75 asap, everyone i party with have crappy gear you would see a drg without life belt and you would see no one even have peacock charm. +1 item? no one even brothered. It is because this game have been around for years and there are already many rich veteran it doesn't necessary require the new player to farm 10 times harder then a veteran with 75 could for items. It was easy as a 75 brd to farm money 1-2 million is fast. But farming 1-2 million as a 20 is not an easy task.

Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

[Kailea]

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

OK this time i went to look as a 31whm/rng, i finally notice that widescan actually pick up npc name within the area as level 15 rng. I went in Arrapago island (which require most key) 3-4 time ran around all i could pick up is one prisoner, i have no idea how to enter the 2nd patch of cells. At least i need more lamia key as it seem.
Personnally i don't like to add in the arguement ever further but could you guy even just keep in mind, this is a first job. First job for most player is already very hard, even if i say making money is cake, i don't make alot per hour. Seriously, when i leveled my brd to 75 asap, everyone i party with have crappy gear you would see a drg without life belt and you would see no one even have peacock charm. +1 item? no one even brothered. It is because this game have been around for years and there are already many rich veteran it doesn't necessary require the new player to farm 10 times harder then a veteran with 75 could for items. It was easy as a 75 brd to farm money 1-2 million is fast. But farming 1-2 million as a 20 is not an easy task.
Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

Your example there is a bit much... peacock charm +1?? good lord
There is a difference between crappy, average, and best. As long as you always shoot for average you will be fine.

[Feba]

Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

and you still don't get the point.

[Srxjo]

Originally Posted by Kailea

Your example there is a bit much... peacock charm +1?? good lord
There is a difference between crappy, average, and best. As long as you always shoot for average you will be fine.

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

OK this time i went to look as a 31whm/rng, i finally notice that widescan actually pick up npc name within the area as level 15 rng. I went in Arrapago island (which require most key) 3-4 time ran around all i could pick up is one prisoner, i have no idea how to enter the 2nd patch of cells. At least i need more lamia key as it seem.

Personnally i don't like to add in the arguement ever further but could you guy even just keep in mind, this is a first job. First job for most player is already very hard, even if i say making money is cake, i don't make alot per hour. Seriously, when i leveled my brd to 75 asap, everyone i party with have crappy gear you would see a drg without life belt and you would see no one even have peacock charm. +1 item? no one even brothered. It is because this game have been around for years and there are already many rich veteran it doesn't necessary require the new player to farm 10 times harder then a veteran with 75 could for items. It was easy as a 75 brd to farm money 1-2 million is fast. But farming 1-2 million as a 20 is not an easy task.

Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

there is a Full Stop in the middle he never mentioned PC +1

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by wrongfeifong

OK this time i went to look as a 31whm/rng, i finally notice that widescan actually pick up npc name within the area as level 15 rng. I went in Arrapago island (which require most key) 3-4 time ran around all i could pick up is one prisoner, i have no idea how to enter the 2nd patch of cells. At least i need more lamia key as it seem.

You can only get one lamia fang key per conquest week, but there's more than one way to enter this area. You'd have to look it up the reef maps on FFXI Atlas, but you can also enter the Reef from Dvucca Isle Staging point as well as Ilustri Atoll staging point. Dvucca is the easier of the two. Ilustri Atoll requires patience, reraise, lots of sneak/invis and dodging true sight mobs.

Personnally i don't like to add in the arguement ever further but could you guy even just keep in mind, this is a first job. First job for most player is already very hard, even if i say making money is cake, i don't make alot per hour. Seriously, when i leveled my brd to 75 asap, everyone i party with have crappy gear you would see a drg without life belt and you would see no one even have peacock charm. +1 item? no one even brothered. It is because this game have been around for years and there are already many rich veteran it doesn't necessary require the new player to farm 10 times harder then a veteran with 75 could for items. It was easy as a 75 brd to farm money 1-2 million is fast. But farming 1-2 million as a 20 is not an easy task.

Fibs about BRD farming aside, you keep talking about how you can make money easy, so what's the problem with expense? Why not spend the gil on ammo if you can make the gil so easily? Why not make the effort to get proper gear?

I remember toiling hours and weeks away to get a Life Belt and Valkyrie's Mask for DRG and I wasn't the only player who would spend days or weeks away from EXP farming to improve thier jobs. This was back before the EXP adjustment in CoP or the ToA expansion. The old days.

LOTS of players back then halted levelling and took the time to improve thier jobs. If they weren't happy, they didn't seek PT that day. Simple as that. I knew plenty of DRGs that had a Life Belt and PCC and still might not seek because there was more to get that would improve thier performance, so don't play the job stereotype card with me.

Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

No, I wasn't super-uber, but even as stubborn as I used to be, I eventually considered the advice of other players and levelled other subjobs and treated those subjobs with respect. I made sure I had respectable gear for each of them while I levelled them

I never had a use for BLM beyond 40, but I kept respectable equipment til I was done meeting my goal. Its been the same way with every job. Even with BRD, even with RDM and even with COR. I don't think having buffs, refresh and dispels are a license to cheap my way to 75. I turned down dozens upon dozens of invites on BRD to take time to get what I needed.

Some jobs I take a break from, others I've retired, but one thing is for certain, I put the most I can into everything I play. And people just take notice of that, I don't fish for a compliment.