Reply
 
LinkBack (1) Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-14-2007, 03:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
Heir to Odin
Oracle of Knowledge
 
Malacite's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: None of your damn business
Posts: 3,597
Style: Light - Version 5
My Mood:
Thanks: 776
Thanked 334x in 234 Posts
Gil: 111,173
Bank: 0
Total Gil: 111,173
Donate
Martial Anelace
Does it work with blue magic at all? Or is it just sword weapon skills?
Malacite is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 03:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
X's General
FFXIWiki Team
 
Armando's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 2,997
Style: Light - Version 6
My Mood:
Thanks: 259
Thanked 753x in 408 Posts
Gil: 50,059
Bank: 0
Total Gil: 50,059
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
Considering it only works when mainhanded, and that it would effectively mean all your CA'd spells would have at least 100 TP, I seriously, seriously doubt it. It would be simple to test, though, if someone has one and BLU high enough to wield it.



Armando is online now   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 03:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
Ares's Cuirass
Keeper of Knowledge
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,990
Style: Light - Version 6
Thanks: 8
Thanked 31x in 25 Posts
Gil: 1,428
Bank: 3,166
Total Gil: 4,594
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
I'd say no as Having a Hagun equiped does not effect Ranged WS so I doubt a Sword would effect Blue magic, if that makes sense :/



75 Mnk Sam | 70 Drk | 40 Blm | 37 Nin Rng Thf War
Woodworking 91.9+2
ZM:Complete CoP:Complete ToAU:27
Aeolus is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2007, 09:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
The Old Man
Super Moderator
 
Kaickul's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Limbo
Posts: 353
Style: Light - Version 6
My Mood:
Thanks: 12
Thanked 15x in 11 Posts
Gil: 5,821
Bank: 0
Total Gil: 5,821
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
I think this is right up there with Martial Knife... seems like a good idea, but its really just crap.




75 BLU | THF | PLD


Kaickul is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2007, 04:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
Heir to Odin
Oracle of Knowledge
 
Malacite's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: None of your damn business
Posts: 3,597
Style: Light - Version 5
My Mood:
Thanks: 776
Thanked 334x in 234 Posts
Gil: 111,173
Bank: 0
Total Gil: 111,173
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
Hagun doesn't work with Ranged WS because

A) There's a Bow for that already and

B) Safe to assume it's GKT WS only.

However, your blue spells are affected by TP and the accuracy of your main hand weapon... As I neither have the sword nor a high enough lv BLU, I'd greatly appreciate if anyone could take up the challenge and test it. On paper, it sounds like it would work. If it doesn't, then oh well. If it does, then WOO HOO! ^^b
Malacite is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2007, 04:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
tdh
Veteran Member
Brain of Knowledge
 
tdh's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 1,644
Style: Light - Version 6
Thanks: 143
Thanked 37x in 30 Posts
Gil: 2,545
Bank: 307
Total Gil: 2,852
Donate
Send a message via ICQ to tdh Send a message via AIM to tdh Send a message via Yahoo to tdh
Re: Martial Anelace
I'm more curious if the Martial Anelace would only work when you have 0TP.

All of the Rare/EX weapons that drop from the various KSNMs work when you have less than 100% TP. Because your TP is reset to 0% at the time you use your WS is why they kick in during the WS.

Now I have no proof of this, but it would make sense if the Martial weapons work in the very same way. That it basically added 100% TP into the calculations for damage. So It would seem that anybody who can sub BLU could test this out.

Keep in mind this is just a theory, and if I had a Martial Anelace I'd go test it out right now.



[font="Comic Sans MS"]Odude
PS2 Beta tester - Cactaur - Rank 4
RDM32 - BLM17 - DRK11 - RNG11 - BRD9 - BST7 - WAR6 - MNK4

Lakshmi: Windurst Rank 10 - ZM14 - PM4-3 - ToAU31 - WotG3
RDM75 - DRK75 - SAM75 - MNK75 - WAR62 - BLM40 - NIN38 - RNG38 - THF37 - DRG36 - BST25 - WHM20 - PUP20 - PLD13 - BRD13 - BLU9 - DNC7 - COR5 - SMN1 - SCH1

Odude 6 - Maat 1

The Taco Spot
tdh is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2007, 04:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
Altanaの戦士
Keeper of Knowledge
 
Raydeus's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Fenrir Server
Posts: 2,785
Style: Light - Version 6
Thanks: 130
Thanked 311x in 198 Posts
Gil: 1,111
Bank: 77,617
Total Gil: 78,728
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
I thought Martial weapons only gave TP bonus to weapon skills used with said weapons. And since blue magic doesn't actually use the weapon (only consumes TP) it wouldn't make sense if it recieved the bonus as well.

However, closing Light with a 200TP (+100) Savage Blade would do some nice damage.



Sanctuary of Zi'tah!

"In this world, the one who has the most fun is the winner!" C.B.

Prishe's Knight since 2004.
Raydeus is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 03:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
/Facepalm
 
Losrase's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: California
Posts: 198
Style: Light - Version 6
My Mood:
Thanks: 38
Thanked 18x in 16 Posts
Gil: 290
Bank: 66,788
Total Gil: 67,079
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
I have been looking at this weapon and have a couple questions:

1) Does it work only with the second+ hits from multi hit WS? Example: Vorpal Blade, the +100 tp would kick in on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th hits since you would be at 0 tp?

2) TP is reset to 0% at the time you use your WS is why they kick in during the WS? (it would work for all hits but the first hit will have an extra 200tp, and every hit there after will have 100tp)



PSN ID: Kelshan
Completed: Folklore(Thanks TGM for the reconmendation), Timeshift, Lair, Orange Box, The Darkness, Resistance: Fall of Man, Heavenly Sword, and F.E.A.R.
Currently Playing: Oblivion(on hold), Dark Sector
Losrase is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 03:57 PM   #9 (permalink)
X's General
FFXIWiki Team
 
Armando's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 2,997
Style: Light - Version 6
My Mood:
Thanks: 259
Thanked 753x in 408 Posts
Gil: 50,059
Bank: 0
Total Gil: 50,059
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
Quote:
1) Does it work only with the second+ hits from multi hit WS? Example: Vorpal Blade, the +100 tp would kick in on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th hits since you would be at 0 tp?
There's no easy way to test this. I highly doubt it anyways.
Quote:
2) TP is reset to 0% at the time you use your WS is why they kick in during the WS? (it would work for all hits but the first hit will have an extra 200tp, and every hit there after will have 100tp)
No offense meant to you or tdh but I find that to be silly. It makes more sense for it to add 100 TP to your total, check your total and then use it/set it to 0. Why would it add 100 after your TP was "used" towards the WS?



Armando is online now   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 06:32 AM   #10 (permalink)
/Facepalm
 
Losrase's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: California
Posts: 198
Style: Light - Version 6
My Mood:
Thanks: 38
Thanked 18x in 16 Posts
Gil: 290
Bank: 66,788
Total Gil: 67,079
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
Originally Posted by Armando View Post
There's no easy way to test this. I highly doubt it anyways.
No offense meant to you or tdh but I find that to be silly. It makes more sense for it to add 100 TP to your total, check your total and then use it/set it to 0. Why would it add 100 after your TP was "used" towards the WS?
None taken. Can't take offense when you are asking about someone else's theory. I just trying to understand how this weapon works. I read a few post which people say it just adds 100tp to your weapon skill. I have read other post which said you need < 100 tp for the tp bonus to activate. Anyone know the requirements it take to cause the tp bonus to activate?



PSN ID: Kelshan
Completed: Folklore(Thanks TGM for the reconmendation), Timeshift, Lair, Orange Box, The Darkness, Resistance: Fall of Man, Heavenly Sword, and F.E.A.R.
Currently Playing: Oblivion(on hold), Dark Sector
Losrase is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 06:39 AM   #11 (permalink)
Altanaの戦士
Keeper of Knowledge
 
Raydeus's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Fenrir Server
Posts: 2,785
Style: Light - Version 6
Thanks: 130
Thanked 311x in 198 Posts
Gil: 1,111
Bank: 77,617
Total Gil: 78,728
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
You need 100TP because the weapon only gives the TP bonus to the Weapon skill, not to you, so you still need to get at least 100TP to use a WS.

What the weapon does is add 100TP to your current TP when calculating the WS' effect.

So if you use a WS with 100TP it will do the dmg/effect it would do at 200TP, if you have 200TP it will pretend you have 300TP and if you have 250TP it will still be 300TP effect as it will never go over 300.



PS > I hope I didn't confuse you even more XD



Sanctuary of Zi'tah!

"In this world, the one who has the most fun is the winner!" C.B.

Prishe's Knight since 2004.
Raydeus is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
The following user says "Thank You" to Raydeus for above post:
Losrase (07-08-2008)
Old 07-08-2008, 08:46 AM   #12 (permalink)
Dictionary
FFXIWiki Team
 
Lmnop's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Warrior
Posts: 1,549
Style: Light - Version 6
My Mood:
Thanks: 128
Thanked 220x in 133 Posts
Gil: 10,088
Bank: 37,407
Total Gil: 47,495
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
Originally Posted by Losrase View Post
I have read other post which said you need < 100 tp for the tp bonus to activate. Anyone know the requirements it take to cause the tp bonus to activate?
Maneater - FFXIclopedia - a Wikia Gaming wiki

That whole slew of weapons are what you're thinking of. They only activate with under 100% tp or when you WS (Because your WS wipes you to 0 before it's actually performed, apparently).

Gogo tp-spam encouragement...



Originally Posted by Taskmage View Post
Women = Time x Money
Time = Money => Women = Money x Money
Women = Money^2
Money = √Evil => Women = (√Evil)^2
Women = Evil
Lmnop is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 04:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
VZX
Lurker
 
VZX's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 246
Style: Light - Version 6
My Mood:
Thanks: 1
Thanked 26x in 13 Posts
Gil: 7,785
Bank: 0
Total Gil: 7,785
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
Replying old statement, I know.
Originally Posted by Kaickul View Post
I think this is right up there with Martial Knife... seems like a good idea, but its really just crap.
Vorpal Blade is multi-hit WS with critical hit TP mod, so it may not be so crap before you get perdu hanger in your hand.



Thanks,
Vrytreya

My FFXI Doc
VZX is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 07:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
Heir to Odin
Oracle of Knowledge
 
Malacite's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: None of your damn business
Posts: 3,597
Style: Light - Version 5
My Mood:
Thanks: 776
Thanked 334x in 234 Posts
Gil: 111,173
Bank: 0
Total Gil: 111,173
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
Originally Posted by VZX View Post
Vorpal Blade is multi-hit WS with critical hit TP mod, so it may not be so crap before you get dissector in your hand.

FTFY
Malacite is offline   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2008, 03:16 AM   #15 (permalink)
X's General
FFXIWiki Team
 
Armando's Avatar
FFXI Character Info.
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 2,997
Style: Light - Version 6
My Mood:
Thanks: 259
Thanked 753x in 408 Posts
Gil: 50,059
Bank: 0
Total Gil: 50,059
Donate
Re: Martial Anelace
Perdu Hanger >> Dissector



Armando is online now   ::Quote Selected:: Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/blue-mage/64398-martial-anelace.html
Posted By For Type Date
Martial Anelace - Page 2 - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community This thread Refback 08-26-2008 04:26 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:02 PM.


Site Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.6.8 Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. - Modifications by PiNG
©2001-2008 SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. All Rights Reserved. Title Design by Yoshitaka Amano.
FINAL FANTASY and VANA'DIEL are registered trademarks of Square Enix Co., Ltd. SQUARE ENIX, PLAYONLINE and the PlayOnline logo are trademarks of Square Enix Co., Ltd.
Comments and posts are property of their authors. All the rest, including video, articles, compiled game data, and sections, unless otherwise noted, are
©2002-2008 FFXIOnline.com: Dreams in Vana'diel. All rights reserved.
Page generated in 0.59078 seconds with 30 queries