Either this recipe is wrong

Aeni · 06-25-2006, 10:55 PM

Or there's something else at work here.

Trying to synth a bronze bed and apparently, according to FFXI Somepage, it's a main Smithing craft with a cloth subcraft (The recipe caps out at 19 and my smithing skills are way beyond that at this point, but cloth is at zero)

I remember how people would argue that one could synth HQs without the need for a subcraft ... or something similar.

Well, I got a message that this recipe was beyond my skill to do. One of two things is possible here:

(1) Either this recipe is a main clothcraft skill and not smithing as FFXI Somepage reports or

(2) You do need subcrafts and that you need appropriately leveled subcrafts to HQ recipes consistently as well.

I just wasted money on materials. Sigh.

LoneGamer · 06-25-2006, 11:01 PM

You need subcrafts.

Jei · 06-25-2006, 11:01 PM

ffrecipe says this is 19 smith 19 cloth. I don't think you can even attempt it at 0 cloth can you?

LoneGamer · 06-25-2006, 11:11 PM

You can only attempt a synth when your craft levels are no more than 15 below the recipe's caps, so, no. You can't try it until you have Clothcraft 4, but success is very unlikely.

Aeni · 06-26-2006, 01:11 PM

Then if that's the case, this is more fuel for the argument of having higher levels of subcraft can make or break your chances of HQ'ing a recipe. It's probably best then that everyone get their subcrafts to 60 (+ any bonus from GP) and their main as high as possible (100+bonus) to get the best chances for HQ'ing these recipes.

LoneGamer · 06-26-2006, 07:49 PM

Yeah.. that's common knowledge, at least on the Alla tradeskill forum before they got bought out by IGE.

Taskmage · 06-26-2006, 09:27 PM

I thought it was common knowledge as well until Icemage aka Irrrefutable Captain Research said subskills have no effect on HQ%. Now I'm not sure. I still think they do, but I haven't collected any data to back up my assumption.

Edit: I haven't noticed how long that's been your sig, Aeni, but grats on your vermy and rope.

Jei · 06-26-2006, 09:39 PM

I believe sub craft affects HQ. I never done any test but it makes sense when you think about it.

Wertyone · 06-27-2006, 10:56 AM

I don't know how much testing you would consider enough, but while attempting to make seer's tunics I noticed that on my mule(cloth 56 +1, leather 60 +1) I was able to HQ about 22 percent, but on my main character (cloth 60 +2, leather 25) I never have received an HQ.

This is over about 15 synths each. I did this as my own little test on subs effecting HQ rates, and it satisfied me.

Taskmage · 06-27-2006, 11:09 AM

3 HQs vs 0 HQs could be normal statistical variance. You might have just gotten lucky with one set and/or unlucky with the other. We'd need samples larger than 15 synths to be "sure" but that's definately on the right track.

When making Snoll Gelato (cooking 61, alchemy 11), sometimes I will go through a stack of crystals and get 5 or 6 HQs, sometimes none.

Haggai · 06-27-2006, 11:20 AM

Simple solution is to just get your clothcrafting to 19-ish. It's really easy. I got mine to 20 in one day.

Then again, getting any craft to 20 is easy.

06-25-2006, 10:55 PM	#1
Aeni Veteran Member Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu Posts: 2,232 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 63 Thanked 35x in 21 Posts My Mood:	Either this recipe is wrong Or there's something else at work here. Trying to synth a bronze bed and apparently, according to FFXI Somepage, it's a main Smithing craft with a cloth subcraft (The recipe caps out at 19 and my smithing skills are way beyond that at this point, but cloth is at zero) I remember how people would argue that one could synth HQs without the need for a subcraft ... or something similar. Well, I got a message that this recipe was beyond my skill to do. One of two things is possible here: (1) Either this recipe is a main clothcraft skill and not smithing as FFXI Somepage reports or (2) You do need subcrafts and that you need appropriately leveled subcrafts to HQ recipes consistently as well. I just wasted money on materials. Sigh. __________________

06-25-2006, 11:01 PM	#2
LoneGamer Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 298 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8x in 7 Posts	Re: Either this recipe is wrong You need subcrafts. __________________ RDM 75/WHM 38/BLM 37/DRK 37/NIN 37/PLD 37 -- Cooking 96.7+1 Image by Askannyi LoneGamer.net

06-25-2006, 11:01 PM	#3
Jei J...atatouille Super Moderator Wings of Honor Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,329 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 5 Thanked 138x in 108 Posts My Mood:	Re: Either this recipe is wrong ffrecipe says this is 19 smith 19 cloth. I don't think you can even attempt it at 0 cloth can you? __________________ There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence transform a yellow spot into the sun. - Pablo Picasso

06-25-2006, 11:11 PM	#4
LoneGamer Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 298 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8x in 7 Posts	Re: Either this recipe is wrong You can only attempt a synth when your craft levels are no more than 15 below the recipe's caps, so, no. You can't try it until you have Clothcraft 4, but success is very unlikely. __________________ RDM 75/WHM 38/BLM 37/DRK 37/NIN 37/PLD 37 -- Cooking 96.7+1 Image by Askannyi LoneGamer.net

06-26-2006, 01:11 PM	#5
Aeni Veteran Member Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu Posts: 2,232 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 63 Thanked 35x in 21 Posts My Mood:	Re: Either this recipe is wrong Then if that's the case, this is more fuel for the argument of having higher levels of subcraft can make or break your chances of HQ'ing a recipe. It's probably best then that everyone get their subcrafts to 60 (+ any bonus from GP) and their main as high as possible (100+bonus) to get the best chances for HQ'ing these recipes. __________________

06-26-2006, 07:49 PM	#6
LoneGamer Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 298 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8x in 7 Posts	Re: Either this recipe is wrong Yeah.. that's common knowledge, at least on the Alla tradeskill forum before they got bought out by IGE. __________________ RDM 75/WHM 38/BLM 37/DRK 37/NIN 37/PLD 37 -- Cooking 96.7+1 Image by Askannyi LoneGamer.net

06-26-2006, 09:27 PM	#7
Taskmage 不完全の花 Administrator Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,457 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 311 Thanked 987x in 495 Posts	Re: Either this recipe is wrong I thought it was common knowledge as well until Icemage aka Irrrefutable Captain Research said subskills have no effect on HQ%. Now I'm not sure. I still think they do, but I haven't collected any data to back up my assumption. Edit: I haven't noticed how long that's been your sig, Aeni, but grats on your vermy and rope. __________________ A trail of feelings, of awe and inspiration, should lead him to that castle: in the future: her arms enclosing him, her scent fills him with excitement, creates a moment so strong he can remember it in the past. Last edited by Taskmage; 06-26-2006 at 09:41 PM.

06-26-2006, 09:39 PM	#8
Jei J...atatouille Super Moderator Wings of Honor Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,329 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 5 Thanked 138x in 108 Posts My Mood:	Re: Either this recipe is wrong I believe sub craft affects HQ. I never done any test but it makes sense when you think about it. __________________ There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence transform a yellow spot into the sun. - Pablo Picasso

06-27-2006, 10:56 AM	#9
Wertyone Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 20 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Re: Either this recipe is wrong I don't know how much testing you would consider enough, but while attempting to make seer's tunics I noticed that on my mule(cloth 56 +1, leather 60 +1) I was able to HQ about 22 percent, but on my main character (cloth 60 +2, leather 25) I never have received an HQ. This is over about 15 synths each. I did this as my own little test on subs effecting HQ rates, and it satisfied me.

06-27-2006, 11:09 AM	#10
Taskmage 不完全の花 Administrator Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,457 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 311 Thanked 987x in 495 Posts	Re: Either this recipe is wrong 3 HQs vs 0 HQs could be normal statistical variance. You might have just gotten lucky with one set and/or unlucky with the other. We'd need samples larger than 15 synths to be "sure" but that's definately on the right track. When making Snoll Gelato (cooking 61, alchemy 11), sometimes I will go through a stack of crystals and get 5 or 6 HQs, sometimes none. __________________ A trail of feelings, of awe and inspiration, should lead him to that castle: in the future: her arms enclosing him, her scent fills him with excitement, creates a moment so strong he can remember it in the past.

06-27-2006, 11:20 AM	#11
Haggai Likes to n00k Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: May 2006 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 557 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22x in 17 Posts	Re: Either this recipe is wrong Simple solution is to just get your clothcrafting to 19-ish. It's really easy. I got mine to 20 in one day. Then again, getting any craft to 20 is easy. __________________ Haggai i Am ThE bLaCk MaGe. I cAsTs ThE sPeLlS tHaT mAkEs ThE pEoPlEs FaLl DoWn.

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