 06-25-2006, 09:55 PM | #1 (permalink) | | Veteran Member Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu Posts: 2,250 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 62
Thanked 34x in 20 Posts Gil: 11,808 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 11,808 Donate  | Either this recipe is wrong Or there's something else at work here.
Trying to synth a bronze bed and apparently, according to FFXI Somepage, it's a main Smithing craft with a cloth subcraft (The recipe caps out at 19 and my smithing skills are way beyond that at this point, but cloth is at zero)
I remember how people would argue that one could synth HQs without the need for a subcraft ... or something similar.
Well, I got a message that this recipe was beyond my skill to do. One of two things is possible here:
(1) Either this recipe is a main clothcraft skill and not smithing as FFXI Somepage reports or
(2) You do need subcrafts and that you need appropriately leveled subcrafts to HQ recipes consistently as well.
I just wasted money on materials. Sigh. |  | ::Quote Selected::  | | | 06-25-2006, 10:01 PM | #2 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 300 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4
Thanked 8x in 7 Posts Gil: 3,437 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,437 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong You need subcrafts. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-25-2006, 10:01 PM | #3 (permalink) | | J...atatouille Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,338 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood:  Thanks: 5
Thanked 136x in 106 Posts Gil: 22,300 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 22,300 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong ffrecipe says this is 19 smith 19 cloth. I don't think you can even attempt it at 0 cloth can you?  There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence
transform a yellow spot into the sun.
- Pablo Picasso | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-25-2006, 10:11 PM | #4 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 300 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4
Thanked 8x in 7 Posts Gil: 3,437 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,437 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong You can only attempt a synth when your craft levels are no more than 15 below the recipe's caps, so, no. You can't try it until you have Clothcraft 4, but success is very unlikely. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-26-2006, 12:11 PM | #5 (permalink) | | Veteran Member Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu Posts: 2,250 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 62
Thanked 34x in 20 Posts Gil: 11,808 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 11,808 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong Then if that's the case, this is more fuel for the argument of having higher levels of subcraft can make or break your chances of HQ'ing a recipe. It's probably best then that everyone get their subcrafts to 60 (+ any bonus from GP) and their main as high as possible (100+bonus) to get the best chances for HQ'ing these recipes. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-26-2006, 06:49 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 300 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4
Thanked 8x in 7 Posts Gil: 3,437 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,437 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong Yeah.. that's common knowledge, at least on the Alla tradeskill forum before they got bought out by IGE. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-26-2006, 08:27 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Maybe a lion? Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,840 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 219
Thanked 645x in 330 Posts Gil: 1,642 Bank: 51,410 Total Gil: 53,052 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong I thought it was common knowledge as well until Icemage aka Irrrefutable Captain Research said subskills have no effect on HQ%. Now I'm not sure. I still think they do, but I haven't collected any data to back up my assumption.
Edit: I haven't noticed how long that's been your sig, Aeni, but grats on your vermy and rope.
Last edited by Taskmage : 06-26-2006 at 08:41 PM. |  | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-26-2006, 08:39 PM | #8 (permalink) | | J...atatouille Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,338 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 5
Thanked 136x in 106 Posts Gil: 22,300 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 22,300 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong I believe sub craft affects HQ. I never done any test but it makes sense when you think about it. There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence
transform a yellow spot into the sun.
- Pablo Picasso | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-27-2006, 09:56 AM | #9 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 20 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0
Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 445 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 445 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong I don't know how much testing you would consider enough, but while attempting to make seer's tunics I noticed that on my mule(cloth 56 +1, leather 60 +1) I was able to HQ about 22 percent, but on my main character (cloth 60 +2, leather 25) I never have received an HQ.
This is over about 15 synths each. I did this as my own little test on subs effecting HQ rates, and it satisfied me. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-27-2006, 10:09 AM | #10 (permalink) | | Maybe a lion? Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,840 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 219
Thanked 645x in 330 Posts Gil: 1,642 Bank: 51,410 Total Gil: 53,052 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong 3 HQs vs 0 HQs could be normal statistical variance. You might have just gotten lucky with one set and/or unlucky with the other. We'd need samples larger than 15 synths to be "sure" but that's definately on the right track.
When making Snoll Gelato (cooking 61, alchemy 11), sometimes I will go through a stack of crystals and get 5 or 6 HQs, sometimes none. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-27-2006, 10:20 AM | #11 (permalink) | | Likes to n00k Join Date: May 2006 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 558 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 8
Thanked 22x in 17 Posts Gil: 2,194 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,194 Donate | Re: Either this recipe is wrong Simple solution is to just get your clothcrafting to 19-ish. It's really easy. I got mine to 20 in one day.
Then again, getting any craft to 20 is easy. Haggai
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