BLM/NIN in Exp Party

[IfritnoItazura]

If your Tank loses hate, and hes goin after your whm, the AOE (No matter what it was) is gonna hit everyone because there is no camp (that I can remember) with a wide enough camp area to avoid this (Exception for puk and imp camps)

Don't know how bad is it on your server, but if I see a monster goes after a White Mage once every three fight or more often, I'd call it a terrible tank, stupid WHM, or both.

I soloed 30-65 manaburned 65-67 soloed 67-73 manaburn 73-74 solo 74-75. Now I merit in nothing but manaburns

Sounds like you haven't seen much of regular parties? I assure you people still fight monsters with AoE attacks, and, no, the mages aren't supposed to be hit with them.

[Krut]

Dp.

[hongman]

Well ur not gonna sit there and tell me, in the end all merited and all geared towards black mage supremeness, that of all the races Elv isn't pretty sloppy compared to the other races as blm.

I'll be the first to say I'd prefer a Galkan or Elvaan PLD over a taru
Or a Mithra ninja over all other races.
Call me crazy but id prefer base INT of 79 over 67 and base MP of 858 over 599 for a blm. That's just my opinion.

I'd take a Galkan BLM over an Elvaan BLM any day of the week.

Nope, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that you are wrong. What I will tell you is in a typical endgame LS (hell, any LS), you line all the BLM's up, and no 2 will have the exact same merits, gear or skill.

You should, by now, know that Race means absolutely fuck all if the person playing knows what the hell they are doing. Ever heard the saying, SKill > Race?

Racial differences doesnt equate to a lot of damage difference at 75 with all the endgame pieces.

lol, I think I'm done for this topic :x

[Krut]

I disagree.
Godly parties where everything constantly goes according to plan are rare.
If they arn't where you come from, toss me a server name and i'll jump over.
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Skill>Equipment>Race.
and when i can out skill most blms.
out equip most blms.
at the end of the day i'd like to out race them too.

[IfritnoItazura]

Well ur not gonna sit there and tell me, in the end all merited and all geared towards black mage supremeness, that of all the races Elv isn't pretty sloppy compared to the other races as blm.

I'll be the first to say I'd prefer a Galkan or Elvaan PLD over a taru
Or a Mithra ninja over all other races.
Call me crazy but id prefer base INT of 79 over 67 and base MP of 858 over 599 for a blm. That's just my opinion.

I'd take a Galkan BLM over an Elvaan BLM any day of the week.

I'd call you shortsighted instead.

Player skill, knowledge, and gear are so much more important than race, it's only a slight hyperbole to call race an round-off error outside of HP and MP. Even for those stats, I'd rather have good players over the "perfect race"--1500 max MP or max HP on a bad player will do you no good if they are dead on the ground or wiped the party/alliance due to idiocy.

No one things makes a player skilled: reflex, knowledge, gears, set up--they all have to come together. Race is about the last thing out of a long list of desirable traits to worry over.

[Krut]

I'd say +250ish MP is a pretty desireable thing for one blm to have instead of not having.
I don't care play how you want it's your money.

[Sabaron]

I'd say +250ish MP is a pretty desireable thing for one blm to have instead of not having.
I don't care play how you want it's your money.

Are you going to spam out all of that MP? If you actually use it all, you'll probably get eaten by your target, so it doesn't really matter as it doesn't functionally limit your use of spells. Either way you have to restore it, and once you start resting/refreshing, you have functionally the same MP pool as any other race--even Galka. It's all about how fast you get your MP back, not how much you can bank.

hMP > MP

The time when it matters is when you're soloing and you need to finish off a mob completely with one bar of mp. That's what pie and ice cream are for--as long as the mob dies before your mp is gone it's all cool. Of course, the 250 buffer is good, granted, as a safety net, but surely not necessary.

[Coinspinner]

A player's choice of race has no impact on his level of skill. All BLM players, skillful or not, will perform better as Taru. There have been countless times when even another 100 MP would have saved me a load of Sleep&Heal time or just "saved" me period. And I believe the difference from Mithra is closer to 200.

Edit: O_o What food gives 200 MP? I want some of that. Best I know of is Bijou Glace, 90 MP for 6K gil.

[hongman]

Given, if the same person played a Elvaan BLM and a Taru BLM, Taru would win. But this guy's quote was "If you're an Elf BLM you might as well jump off a bridge" - anyone who has half a brain knows there isnt that much difference in racial stats in endgame.

Last post on this "debate", it's so 2006.

[Krut]

Are you going to spam out all of that MP? If you actually use it all, you'll probably get eaten by your target, so it doesn't really matter as it doesn't functionally limit your use of spells. Either way you have to restore it, and once you start resting/refreshing, you have functionally the same MP pool as any other race--even Galka. It's all about how fast you get your MP back, not how much you can bank.

hMP > MP

The time when it matters is when you're soloing and you need to finish off a mob completely with one bar of mp. That's what pie and ice cream are for--as long as the mob dies before your mp is gone it's all cool. Of course, the 250 buffer is good, granted, as a safety net, but surely not necessary.

2 words
-mana
-burn

The other Jobs seem to have decided we have no business being in another party on a regular bases, so a group of 4 blms a rdm and a brd seem quite apt to chain out way to merits. There is rarely a situation in manaburns where over nuking is a problem it's been months since anyone died in a manaburn i was part of.

I'm a big fan of experimenting with all other kinds of subjobs, but once i start agreeing with you in that you are going to hafta start playing the way everyone else wants you to play you start telling me i'm wrong, make up your minds.

[Malacite]

Race only really hurts you as a BLM in the lower levels.

By end game (And I have both a taru and elvaan blm tyvm) your skill and especially your gear/merits are going to matter a hell of a lot more than a few points of INT and MP (and for the sake of argument, Elvaan have something like 120 more MP than Galka for just 2-3 less INT. Big deal)


For example, even a Taru's (I think it's around 10-12 by 75? It's a BIG gap to be sure but still) INT won't matter if the Elvaan in question has an H.Q. staff vs the Taru's N.Q., or what have you.

[Magoo]

2 words
-mana
-burn

The other Jobs seem to have decided we have no business being in another party on a regular bases, so a group of 4 blms a rdm and a brd seem quite apt to chain out way to merits. There is rarely a situation in manaburns where over nuking is a problem it's been months since anyone died in a manaburn i was part of.

I'm a big fan of experimenting with all other kinds of subjobs, but once i start agreeing with you in that you are going to hafta start playing the way everyone else wants you to play you start telling me i'm wrong, make up your minds.

Sabaron's point that MP regeneration is far more important is still valid for mana burn parties. The *only* time having a bigger MP pool is in any way beneficial is right after a full rest up until you've spent that extra MP - and honestly, how long does it take you to spend 250 MP? After that, you get your MP back at the same rate as the galka. My black mage isn't high enough to have experienced an endgame manaburn party, but do you really stop for full rests that often? I can't imagine that would make for very good xp/hour.

An SUV has a huge gas tank compared to a hybrid car, but in the long run you'll spend a lot less time (and money) at the gas station if you own the hybrid.

[Necropolis]

While the small base difference in INT and MP will always make a taru BLM slightly better than an Elvaan BLM in the same exact gear/merits; it's really neglible.
A more important consideration would be that of the Ugg pendant. Since it activates at <50% mp, an elvaan activates this a bit quicker than taru. 8MAB over the two spells I think would bring up thier damage per mana; but might not compensate for the extra damage from both the extra int and MP a taru has. But really, the difference would slight.

The little perks of being a taru BLM over any other race only allows for the taru to slack a little on gear before being noticably gimp. While other races know thier weaknesses and spend the time and effort aquiring harder to obtain pieces, I notice more tarus in full NQ. To say Elvaans can't outdamage tarus is pathetic attempt of bolstering you own self esteem I think, because I've seen an elvaan outdamge plenty of tarus.


Alpsyche is the Elvaan, Nizzy is the taru.

[Celeal]

The only application of BLM/NIN in exp. party that I can think of is exp. on Colibri that reflect magic (below level 70, non-merit parties, in theory).

[Olorin401]

The little perks of being a taru BLM over any other race only allows for the taru to slack a little on gear before being noticably gimp. While other races know thier weaknesses and spend the time and effort aquiring harder to obtain pieces, I notice more tarus in full NQ. To say Elvaans can't outdamage tarus is pathetic attempt of bolstering you own self esteem I think, because I've seen an elvaan outdamge plenty of tarus.

As an Elvaan BLM75, I can say I've outnuked a few Tarus. It really comes down to a combination of your merits, the quality of your gear, and how you optimize your gear through macros to get the most out of your nukes. Really in the end the one thing Tarus really have going for them is that they can skip MP+ and/or INT+ gear to get more skill or MAB.