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Thanked 610x in 395 Posts Gil: 10,234 Bank: 126,476 Total Gil: 136,709 Donate  | Finale from /BRD works, right? Found this in a discussion about support jobs for White Mage: Originally Posted by Icemage  | | Bard subjob is useful after level 50 for access to Mage's Ballad, as well as a few other handy support songs such as Madrigal, March, and Finale. | I assume this means even with half level singing skill on WHM/BRD, Magic Finale will land on exp level monsters? Has anyone personally tried it?
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Thanked 136x in 106 Posts Gil: 28,878 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 28,878 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? Probably 37 if you want to use Mazurka. This spell seems to be a big thing for tanks right now.
I had used 75Rdm/Brd for some assaults. Mainly the Lamia 13. Finale landed fine while the NM had over 75%HP. After than it will start to get resisted like crazy. There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
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Thanked 682x in 347 Posts Gil: 20,682 Bank: 77,920 Total Gil: 98,602 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? Does mazurka still add a useful amount of hate after the ner- err adjustment?
I've never tried it, but Finale is one of those super accurate spells like its cousin Dispel. I bet it would still work from a subjob. - | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 04-03-2007, 04:09 PM | #4 (permalink) | The BBQ Kitten Revolution FFXIWiki Team Join Date: May 2006 Location: Windurst Posts: 4,554 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 158
Thanked 1,254x in 698 Posts Gil: 36,209 Bank: 10 Total Gil: 36,219 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? Finale is heavily resisted under /BRD sub against IT and VT, less so when it starts getting T or lower. /RDM's Dispel is just as seldom resisted as RDM main from what I've experienced. Dunno why, just is.
Were there any reason to sub BRD, I wouldn't consider Finale amoung them. | Originally Posted by Taskmage | | Does mazurka still add a useful amount of hate after the ner- err adjustment? | It was used to steal claim and MPK, it was a nerf and a proper nerf at that.
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Thanked 682x in 347 Posts Gil: 20,682 Bank: 77,920 Total Gil: 98,602 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? Meh, I'm just messing around since people tend to react strongly to the word nerf. Question still stands though. Does it provide enough enmity to still be used for legitimate purposes? - | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 04-03-2007, 04:33 PM | #6 (permalink) | | J...atatouille Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,338 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 5
Thanked 136x in 106 Posts Gil: 28,878 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 28,878 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? oh so they nerf mazurka hate already? I guess that's good news. There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
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Thanked 1,254x in 698 Posts Gil: 36,209 Bank: 10 Total Gil: 36,219 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? I'm going to take the resounding silence from KI and Alla BRD forums as a "Yes, they nerfed Mazurka good." They've been quiet on the subject since the day of that update. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 04-03-2007, 09:15 PM | #8 (permalink) | | From Beneath You, It Devours Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,434 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood:  Thanks: 43
Thanked 149x in 104 Posts Gil: 17,811 Bank: 53,066 Total Gil: 70,878 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? BRD friend said it was heavily nerfed. Can't remember the exact circumstance, may have been when he was pl'ing us on lower jobs, but he said that he would have used mazurka to grab hate, but it didint work anymore. I'm guessing some hate is still garnered when using it, like all other spells, but its probably nil compared to what it previously did. I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2
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Thanked 22x in 17 Posts Gil: 3,337 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,337 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? | Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten | Finale is heavily resisted under /BRD sub against IT and VT, less so when it starts getting T or lower. /RDM's Dispel is just as seldom resisted as RDM main from what I've experienced. Dunno why, just is.
Were there any reason to sub BRD, I wouldn't consider Finale amoung them. | The reason why Dispel works so well as /RDM is that Dispel is enfeebling magic, which all mages have. Finale sucks as /BRD because its a singing skill, which only BRD has. Dispel power is coming from main job skill while Finale power is coming from just the sub.
Look at it this way:
Job - Enfeebling Skill
RDM75/WHM37 - 276
WHM75/RDM37 - 225
Job - Singing Skill
BRD75/WHM37 - 225
WHM75/BRD37 - 105
You can probably now see that singing skill is half powered when subbed, but Enfeebling isn't, as long as the main job has enfeebling skill.
Try going melee/RDM and see how Dispel works then (not DRK/RDM, DRK has enfeebling). I imagine it will suck.
I hope this makes it easier. Haggai
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Thanked 1,254x in 698 Posts Gil: 36,209 Bank: 10 Total Gil: 36,219 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? | Originally Posted by Haggai | | Try going melee/RDM and see how Dispel works then (not DRK/RDM, DRK has enfeebling). I imagine it will suck. | But see, that's the thing - as BRD/RDM I can land Dispel unresisted rather consistantly, yet when I do the opposite with Finale as RDM/BRD, Finale sees a lot of resists. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 04-04-2007, 11:31 AM | #11 (permalink) | | Likes to n00k Join Date: May 2006 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 560 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 8
Thanked 22x in 17 Posts Gil: 3,337 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,337 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? | Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten | | But see, that's the thing - as BRD/RDM I can land Dispel unresisted rather consistantly, yet when I do the opposite with Finale as RDM/BRD, Finale sees a lot of resists. | Well... I don't have an answer for that one. All I can say is:
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Thanked 610x in 395 Posts Gil: 10,234 Bank: 126,476 Total Gil: 136,709 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? | Originally Posted by Jei | | I had used 75Rdm/Brd for some assaults. Mainly the Lamia 13. Finale landed fine while the NM had over 75%HP. After than it will start to get resisted like crazy. | This tells me that /BRD for Finale works... | Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten | | when I do the opposite with Finale as RDM/BRD, Finale sees a lot of resists. | This tells me it does not...
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Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 44 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 44 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? Jei was using a light based spell on an undead...
Kitten was using a light based spell on somehting unknown...
Based on Melee/rdm and ???/brd, RDM have higher enfebling magic then brd do skills so... melee/rdm "Might" have a better landing rate depending on mob trying to be dispelled. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 09-11-2007, 01:33 AM | #14 (permalink) | | Digital Wizard Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 6,017 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 69
Thanked 465x in 306 Posts Gil: 2,804 Bank: 104,195 Total Gil: 106,999 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? Wow this is an oooold thread.
/BRD Finale works against enemies that are weak to Light magic (undead, Weapons). I've never had it fail against the spellcaster Weapons in Ro'Maeve or Ve'Lugannon Palace, and it has never failed for me against any of the undead spellcasters in King Ranperre's Tomb either.
Against normal targets, the success rate is very low, however.
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Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 44 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 44 Donate | Re: Finale from /BRD works, right? | Originally Posted by Icemage | Wow this is an oooold thread.
/BRD Finale works against enemies that are weak to Light magic (undead, Weapons). I've never had it fail against the spellcaster Weapons in Ro'Maeve or Ve'Lugannon Palace, and it has never failed for me against any of the undead spellcasters in King Ranperre's Tomb either.
Against normal targets, the success rate is very low, however.
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anything that is weak to light magic will have a bette success rate then something that isnt Light based for lullaby and vice versa for Dispel. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | |
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