Advanced bard questions

[Jaysensen]

In another thread, someone estimated that Madrigal adds 15/25 accuracy. .
How much of a estimate boost to evasion does Mambo 1/2 give? 15/25 Obviously we dont know, but do we have any estimates.

What about March?
RDM haste gives 15% to recast and 12.5 to attack speed according to RDM forums.

Does anyone ever use Minne?

How much does Carol give?

I am compiling an advanvced bard guide, and looking to put in this sort of information in. And I really hate testing and fact checking lol.

[grunion]

march is supposedly 5% + 5%, 7%+7% if you have the +2 instrument

carol gives about 40-50 at high levels if i recall correctly

[Rones]

In another thread, someone estimated that Madrigal adds 15/25 accuracy.

Not an estimate, it is measureable. The numbers are from Applepie. I have personally confirmed sword madrigals numbers, but haven't taken time to confirm blade madrigals.

Sword madrigal is +15 (+4 with +2 instrument)
Blade madrigal is +25(+4 with +2 instrument)

However, you can't measure evasion bonus from mambo like you can madrigal. Thus, beyond guessing or finding hit rate averages over a long period of time, I don't see a way to calculate it.

No one uses minne ever because the only one it benefits is plds, but plds get more benefit from ballad1 and 2. Nin and war/nin tanks don't get hit enough to warrent giving up minuet or madrigal.

[Jaysensen]

march is supposedly 5% + 5%, 7%+7% if you have the +2 instrument

Advancing is 5+2% and Victory is 7+2? Sorry I didnt quite get what you said.

Oh and does anyone know if Prelude is the same as Madrigal? 15/25?

[grunion]

advancing is 5%
victory is 5%

with +2 march instrument:
advancing is 7%
victory is 7%

this is what i read a long time ago but the post was very detailed so i believe it

[Icemage]

These numbers can't be right. Advancing + Victory March with +2 instrument provides more Haste effect than the Haste spell (tested).


Icemage

[grunion]

i tried to find the post on here but i can't - i'm not even sure it was on these forums

it was a bunch of tests with the different haste gears and spells including garuda, trying to get the highest possible haste, and the person worked out what all the items were based on timing 100 swings of his weapon

anyway i remember he said 5+5 or 7+7 w/ instrument but as i can't find the post i can't back it up

[Vilurum]

I always thought it was more like 10 + 10, or 12 + 12 with instrument. Something in that ballpark.

[Icemage]

I always thought it was more like 10 + 10, or 12 + 12 with instrument. Something in that ballpark.

My tests when I first got Victory March showed:

March + March with unrelated Instrument < Haste spell < March + March with +2 instrument.

I've always thought Haste was 20%, and that unassisted March was 9%, +1% per +1 bonus.

I can't swear to it, but with 8% Haste gear and a Haste spell, my recast rate on 1 minute recast spells like Raise III drops to around 40 seconds or so, so 15% seems wrong to me. I'll try to pay more attention next time I cast long recast spells to see.



Icemage

[Jaysensen]

How much time does the nq vs +1 vs +2 instrument add to the song's duration?

[eriiko]

Carols will give 40, 45 with +1, 50 with +2.