Battlebard Questions

[Icemage]

Originally posted by Rodin

Head: Faerie Hairpin
Body: Minstrels Coat (until my HNMLS can do Vrtra)
Hands: Sha'ir
Neck: Star Necklace
Ear: Melody Earrings +1
Back: Jester's Cape +1
Waist: Gleeman's Belt
Rings: Astrals
Legs: Sha'ir
Feet: Sha'ir

I'll be using an HQ light staff for songs, and a Joyeuse for soloing at engame levels. When I get my BRD to 70 my HNMLS will camp Char with me. They're also getting me a Minstrel's coat when my BRD is 62.

Some ppl think OMFG...why the hairpin? I think more MP helps BRDs better, seeing as how we make excellent backup healers. CHR won't be too low, and I'll be able to land my debuffs with the HQ light staff, so who cares. Just wanted to clear that up.

About instruments....I'm going +1 as much as I can, I know some are hard to get on my server, but I don't care, I'll farm as much as needed.

Faerie Hairpin is overrated. Trump Crown is way better, and that's a fact.

Minstrel's Coat is nice, but I haven't touched mine since I got access to Errant at 72. I can't tell any difference in resist rates, and Errant does have extra -Enmity.

Star Necklace has a hard time keeping pace with Wind Torque/String Torque, IMHO. But depends on what you're doing. I have all 3, and switch them out at need. If I could lay hands on a Fenrir's Torque, I'd definitely consider using that at night.

Melody Earring+1 is nice, but I'm rather fond of Healer's Earring for extended fights.

I'm not a huge personal fan of CHR gear end-game. Seems to me like no matter how much CHR I stack, if a HNM is resistant to something, my CHR won't matter much (with the single exception of Elegy). Shi'ar gear is nice, but it's lack of -enmity is a definite drawback in an long fight.


Icemage

[Rodin]

Originally posted by Icemage
Trump Crown is way better, and that's a fact.

Never been sold on my server, and I don't know how in the hell to get it >_<

[Niland]

Head: Faerie Hairpin
Body: Minstrels Coat (until my HNMLS can do Vrtra)
Hands: Sha'ir
Neck: Star Necklace
Ear: Melody Earrings +1
Back: Jester's Cape +1
Waist: Gleeman's Belt
Rings: Astrals
Legs: Sha'ir
Feet: Sha'ir

not sure what this thread is about now, but its fun to speculate on gear^^ i think something like this would be fun:

Head: AF2 Roundlet
Body: Mahatma Houppelande
Hands: Sheikh Gages
Neck: Star Necklace
Ear: Melody Earrings +1
Back: Jester's Cape +1
Waist: Gleeman's Belt
Ring: Heavens Ring
Ring: Serene Ring
Legs: Zenith +1
Feet: Zenith +1

i think thats:
+60 CHR
-9 Enmity
+154 MP (291MP on a 75 Hume)

could use jse legs/feet or a torque who knows, its actually quite hard to find something 'original' in a bard equipment setup.

[TheMidg]

Originally posted by neighbortaru
pull the next mob before the party finishes off the current one and keep it slept until the party is ready to take it on. rinse and repeat for XP chains ++

Don't forget about how BRD is main puller in manaburn PTs :p

[Inais]

I dont understand the hole you cant sub /nin at any point if you do your a noob stance. I am a elvaan and yes i have subed /nin and i do awsome dmg with foods and attack songs, enough dmg that i can pull hate from the tank at some points. And yes i keep songs up for mages and melees and on most occasions i pull to so whats the big deal about not subing /nin

[neighbortaru]

1. if you pull hate from the tank as BRD/nin then that is one crappy tank

2. there is this think called downtime. people want to avoid downtime. If the whm is the only one healing without any support, their MP is going to dry up pretty fast (regardless of whether you manage to get both MP songs on him or not). This shorts the chains and lengthens downtime. this is bad. guess who we can blame for that?

3. you are adding unnecessary TP to the mob with very little benefit.

[Tsikuro]

If you pull hate from the tank, you must be level 5.
No tank can even BE that bad.
BRD is the only class in FFXI that cannot do damage nomatter what.

[Taskmage]

Never been sold on my server, and I don't know how in the hell to get it >_<

Royale Rumble uncapped KSNM30 fight
http://ffxi.somepage.com/bcnm/58

[Tan'o]

I dont understand the hole you cant sub /nin at any point if you do your a noob stance. I am a elvaan and yes i have subed /nin and i do awsome dmg with foods and attack songs, enough dmg that i can pull hate from the tank at some points. And yes i keep songs up for mages and melees and on most occasions i pull to so whats the big deal about not subing /nin

Dagger B-
Sword C-
Staff C+

0dmg No TP :: Waste of an attack
1-whatever dmg :: TP to mob, not a big difference in mobs HP.

Besides...what WS are you going to use. Those 3 weapons don't really have any good WS till Spirit's Within (57) or Cyclone (43), which is useless without 300TP or is AoE respectively. Let's not forget that all Melee have a skill level of at least A in their respective weapon, excepting WAR using something other than Axe/Gaxe (why??), or a SAM using Polearm.

On the other hand, even with your small mp pool, pre RSE, you can still throw a few cures and if needed a Dia because it doesn't get resisted. As a support class, support the PT, don't waste time meleeing and giving the mob TP. And if you pull hate off the tank ever, disband immediately because he/she is trash.

[Icemage]

I dont understand the hole you cant sub /nin at any point if you do your a noob stance. I am a elvaan and yes i have subed /nin and i do awsome dmg with foods and attack songs, enough dmg that i can pull hate from the tank at some points. And yes i keep songs up for mages and melees and on most occasions i pull to so whats the big deal about not subing /nin

...

And your bard is what level, exactly?

Not to say that there aren't times when /NIN sub isn't handy, but I don't think I've ever pulled hate off a tank without storing up 300TP for Spirits Within early in a fight, even with Joyeuse's extra attacks. The only time I've heard of BRD/NIN being honestly useful for XP is in sky parties with lots of rangers mowing down Weapons. Considering how much weaker rangers are post-patch, even that option is probably out the window these days, which leaves.. er.. Dynamis Lord?


Icemage

[Rai|Kye]

I dont understand the hole you cant sub /nin at any point if you do your a noob stance. I am a elvaan and yes i have subed /nin and i do awsome dmg with foods and attack songs, enough dmg that i can pull hate from the tank at some points. And yes i keep songs up for mages and melees and on most occasions i pull to so whats the big deal about not subing /nin

haha good one lmao ^^

even if you would do Spirits within like this one which i doubt

its still pretty useless in exp and using staves and equip swaps would comfort your party much more

[Tipsy]

in xp pt subz whm or w.e - but in helpeng ppl u shud sub /nin cuz you do dmg on lower lvl mob when xp mob r higher

[UnnamedGalka]

in xp pt subz whm or w.e - but in helpeng ppl u shud sub /nin cuz you do dmg on lower lvl mob when xp mob r higher

Even in Skillup PTs, key hunts and whatnot, /WHM still rules.

To stay on topic...if I ever come across a BRD/NIN while building a PT, I'll send a /tell asking them if they have a WHM or even RDM sub.

If I get a response like, "No, I'm a BATTLE BARD!!"

Well, sorry to bother you...|Good bye!|

[Eropiro]

lol tru dat

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In my experience I've found /WHM can save your party on numerous occasions. I find alot of whms on my server are big on manaburning for some weird reason, and more then once they will run out of mp(this is with both ballad I and II on them) and then the tank all of a sudden starts taking damage. Now, with the whm resting, and a brd/nin, the possabilities of at least the tank dying are much greater, which in turn makes the rest of the party all that much closer to death. So if the whm needs to rest its good to be able to get off those extra cures, even if it only gives your whm back 150 mp. Often that is just enough extra to keep the battle lasting just long enough to win if your having probs.

And on a side note, run if your pulling hate off your tank, cause that means your gonna die because someone else is a moron instead of a problem arising where exp loss happens because of a link or your tank dies. There is enough of that happening you shouldn't need unneccisary deaths like that.