Why can't SE let us reserve Dynamis?

[Shadowneko]

I just thought this up this morning since I'm not sure SE can make Dynamis an instanced zone because of the way it's set up. Why can we have a reservation system similar to the way you can reserve a Brenner or a Balista field? I mean this would solve alot of conflicts with 10 sets of Linkshells trying to do the zones all at the same time. I know that some servers have their own makeshift reservation system but this does not always work out.....

[Gyotsha]

SE made the dynamis system the way they did on purpose. They gave a reason behind it at one point, but I have forgotten what it is. Something like it adds to the experience, by having to compete to get in or whatever. Or perhaps it stops people from going in as much as possible. Something like that. All that you need to know is SE made it like that, and they won't be changing it any time soon however inconvenient it may be for the players.

[BurningPanther]

I actually posed a similar concern previously in this forum, to be found here.

I can live with the 72-hour stopgap, I can live with the 1 million gill entry fee. What I can't live with, and continue to rage against, is the fact that they gave us Dynamis, this sweeping, costly event, and left it's management in the hands of the players. Over the three or four Dynamis shells I've been in, I've seen numerous planned runs stepped on, either because the violating shell simply doesn't schedule through the same website, or because the violating individuals simply chose to ignore the rules set by their peers, such as RMT shells are often wont to do. What is worse, every time this happens, there is not a single thing that can be done about it. Because all management is handled by the players "off the books," GMs aren't beholden to stop it; not in their jurisdiction. In every case, if Dynamis had been scheduled in-game, or better still, reserved a la Brenner/Diorama Abdahljs, interrupting peoples' scheduled runs could have been punished, or sidestepped completely. Best yet would be to simply instance Dynamis, keeping each entry on the 72-hour timer, but instead allowing multiple shells to enter without fear of being interrupted.

I don't care what excuses the developers had in mind, losing your run to another shell because management isn't centralized, or because there will be no accountability is simply unacceptable, and I'll continue to crusade until S-E wakes up to their short-sightedness, or until they discontinue Dynamis.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Best yet would be to simply instance Dynamis, keeping each entry on the 72-hour timer, but instead allowing multiple shells to enter without fear of being interrupted.

While I agree Dynamis should be re-worked to be instanced, I highly doubt its "simple" to make such a change. There really wasn't true instancing in FFXI or MMOs in general at the time Dynamis came out.

[Shadowneko]

While I agree Dynamis should be re-worked to be instanced, I highly doubt its "simple" to make such a change. There really wasn't true instancing in FFXI or MMOs in general at the time Dynamis came out.

What I'm thinking of is an internal scheduling system...so you can say XXX's group has it at 7:00 PM EST or something like that. All other rules still apply and if the reserving party does not trade the hourglass with a certian period of time (say 15 minutes) the zone becomes available to anyone.

It'd be pretty hard to rework it to be instanced but an internal scheduler would be pretty easy to set up....

[Kirsteena]

www.dynamiscalendar.com

If everyone used a central calendar, you would get what we have on Bahamut - civilised Dynamis. Hardly anyone gets their zone jacked.

[Amele]

except that dynamis-calendar is english onry pretty much and not every server really uses the same calendar.

( a few of the groups list on both english and japanese calendars - which is the best way to go about it really).

SE implemented a calendar system of their own which would work fine if people actually used it.

[Aeni]

SE made the dynamis system the way they did on purpose. They gave a reason behind it at one point, but I have forgotten what it is. Something like it adds to the experience, by having to compete to get in or whatever. Or perhaps it stops people from going in as much as possible. Something like that. All that you need to know is SE made it like that, and they won't be changing it any time soon however inconvenient it may be for the players.

One of the dumbest reasoning ever.

The reason why it worked at the beginning was the fact that there weren't very many organized HNM LS that could participate in the events. Many LS were very small, usually centered around 20 players who could sufficiently handle HNMs, but were not prepared to take on bigger challenges.

With advent of Dynamis, linkshells were forced to expand and recruit. This caused some problems, particularly with HNM LS. The solution? Form co-op Dynamis Onry LS with each other.

What eventually made this hard to pull together was the introduction of DKP into FFXI (where it was non-present beforehand) There were many controversies of who the tallying would be left to and much problems arose.

When the co-ops collapsed, there were left many players who now had enough knowledge and strategy of Dynamis. Eventually Dynamis was becoming "easier" to complete and required fewer and fewer players to run.

Eventually, HNM LS could now do these w/o having to form co-ops with other LS and without need for additional recruiting.

As the server population continued to mature and more and more players started to cap at level 75, the pool of players interested in participating in Dynamis kept increasing. The catch? Dynamis remained the same and thus the problems arose from this.

1. You can't extend a 24 hour day anymore than it is (Law of Nature)
2. You can't arbitrarily decide on how many Dynamis LS can be created on each server.
3. You can't predict when members of each LS can be available for what days a run can be scheduled.

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I believe that an instanced Dynamis can be easily created which will retain participation information and thus still retain the present 72 hour rule, but allow for any number of groups to enter at anytime.

[Omniblast]

I agree dynamis is stupid, in that way. I also wished there was another way to obtain additional AF or allow you to trade AF from one set for another. This way, no AF goes to waste.

For example. I have whm af2 feet, I'd rather get the smn af2 feet. I could just trade it + some dynamis currency to someone for the other type of AF. Though, this probably wouldn't be implemented...

[Shadowneko]

www.dynamiscalendar.com

If everyone used a central calendar, you would get what we have on Bahamut - civilised Dynamis. Hardly anyone gets their zone jacked.

Except for the fact that there are probably thousands of LS's per server and not all of them can use sites like yours. Some of them aren't even english speaking...if something like that were made internal to the game then it'd work out. If it's just a group of people with a message board + public calender then you're still gonna have problems....

[Amele]

Except for the fact that there are probably thousands of LS's per server and not all of them can use sites like yours. Some of them aren't even english speaking...if something like that were made internal to the game then it'd work out. If it's just a group of people with a message board + public calender then you're still gonna have problems....

thousands is a big overestimation.

I'd can name only about 8 active dynamis linkshells on my server at this time, and allowing for EU and JP linkshells I can't see; I'd estimate the number of active linkshells to be about double that. 16 - then there is usually 1 or 2 linkshells per primetime that are just getting started and will scrub out in a month, so 18ish total.

so you're looking at communication lines between 18 people, spread out over 7 days. (the issue comes up in that approximately half of these shells run on saturday and the other half on sunday, except for the one odd shell who does monday/thursday or tuesday/friday etc) but even split down the middle on a weekend, you have 10 dynamis zones to run - so you could still *ALL* go at the same time.

[BurningPanther]

If I had to throw around numbers, I'd guess as far as active Dynamis linkshells, there'd be about 6-10 JP, 8-10 NA, 8-10 EU. Roughly 30 shells spread out over 7 days, not counting the RMT shells(number varying to the amount of companies I'd guess).

In a perfect world, there'd be no problem. Everyone would use the same site, which catered to multiple languages, nobody would change their runs last-minute, and there would be no RMT to juke the rules.

But the world isn't perfect. People don't use the same site, not all sites cater to other languages, people do change runs on the fly, and RMT will still step on your run regardless of whether you scheduled it or not.

In-game reservation, or S-E based scheduling(and enforcement), would take the negative variables out.

[Amele]

your server may perhaps be quite different than mine then BurningPanther :)

I'd guess you're close on the JP numbers, you're a little high on NA for my server (there's 6) and you're definitely high on EU - since most of the active EU players on my server either shift to JP or NA prime time for larger events like dynamis.

we also have no RMT shells that run dynamis (I have some guesses why but in the meantime I'll count my blessings.) or if there are any that do, they go during the off time when none of the active shells is running.

[Grizzlebeard]

If I had to throw around numbers, I'd guess as far as active Dynamis linkshells, there'd be about 6-10 JP, 8-10 NA, 8-10 EU.

I'm willing to bet there aren't more than 10 EU Dynamis shells on all the servers let alone one.

[BurningPanther]

I don't think I'm high at all on the NA Dynamis shell numbers, I'd guess at about eight NA shells at the least on my server. Though, my EU estimations might be exaggerated, but definitely more than one, as I know of at least two Spanish shells, and a possible third or fourth floating about.

All the same; a lot of people, far more jacked runs than there should be, and there should be absolutely none at all.