[LyonheartLakshmi]

Originally Posted by Feba

Honestly, given the fact that hardly anyone actually asks INTERESTING QUESTIONS anymore, if they even bother ASKING AT ALL, this forum is more of a 'rant' forum. But honestly, compared to actually having a rant forum, this is fine.

I know I haven't bothered asking a new question in this forum (interesting or otherwise) in a long time since there doesn't appear to be any chance of getting a response from SE.

When I ask a question, I expect some sort of answer. If I post a rant or a suggestion, I don't care whether it gets a response. No wonder there are more rants and suggestions posted here rather than "interesting questions."

Originally Posted by Icemage

We DO actually get responses, when there's actually enough meaty questions to submit.

I recall an announcement about the first set of questions being sent to SE. Does that mean none of the questions submitted since then have been considered "meaty enough" to be worth submitting? Or are they getting submitted without announcements being made about it?

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by LyonheartLakshmi

I recall an announcement about the first set of questions being sent to SE. Does that mean none of the questions submitted since then have been considered "meaty enough" to be worth submitting? Or are they getting submitted without announcements being made about it?

There haven't been enough meaningful questions since the beginning of the year (some of them have since been putatively answered by update changes in any case).

To be serious, though, I just talked to PiNG via IM and he said he'd touch base with the Square-Enix folks and see where our request ended up, and if we can get an update.


Icemage

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Originally Posted by Icemage

There haven't been enough meaningful questions since the beginning of the year (some of them have since been putatively answered by update changes in any case).

The first set of questions sent on to SE back in February was made up of 9 questions. If we (as a forum community) haven't come up with 9 more meaningful questions in the span of 8 months, perhaps Itazura is right and this sub-forum should be put out of its misery.

[Feba]

perhaps Itazura should be put out of its misery.

I fully support the above statement.

[Kailea]

wow I cant believe I have hearing this argument.....

[Vyuru]

I know I haven't bothered asking a new question in this forum (interesting or otherwise) in a long time since there doesn't appear to be any chance of getting a response from SE.

Well, myself I haven't put in anything partly because it seems like SE isn't going to bother reading it and also partly for a certain person flameing all of my posts here........

Quote:
perhaps Itazura should be put out of its misery.

I fully support the above statement.

Dude, not even funny.

[IfritnoItazura]

Originally Posted by Feba

I fully support the above statement.

Wow. I must be wearing more enmity gear than I thought.

[Pteryx]

I have to agree that this forum is flawed. Instead of getting answers to questions from SE, we're getting flames directed at suggestions to SE. Now, I personally think that having a suggestions forum directed at SE would be a good idea... if it weren't plagued with tons of "OMG wrong forum!!!1!" and SE actually held up its end of the bargain and communicated -- even if only through terse, generic stock answers like "We'll pass this discussion on to Development and see what they think" or "We're sorry, but we feel that this suggestion would be inappropriate to consider at this time."

Now, if SE doesn't want a suggestions forum, then they should make it clearer just what kinds of questions they do want to answer. -- Pteryx

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Originally Posted by Pteryx

I have to agree that this forum is flawed. Instead of getting answers to questions from SE, we're getting flames directed at suggestions to SE. Now, I personally think that having a suggestions forum directed at SE would be a good idea... if it weren't plagued with tons of "OMG wrong forum!!!1!" and SE actually held up its end of the bargain and communicated -- even if only through terse, generic stock answers like "We'll pass this discussion on to Development and see what they think" or "We're sorry, but we feel that this suggestion would be inappropriate to consider at this time."

Now, if SE doesn't want a suggestions forum, then they should make it clearer just what kinds of questions they do want to answer. -- Pteryx

According to Icemage, it's not SE's fault, since this is a staging ground for this site's admins to gather questions to submit to SE.

And apparently it's not the admins' fault either. They don't have enough worthwhile questions to submit.

Apparently, it's our fault. We suck at asking questions.

[Murphie]

We kind of do. Though that still doesn't answer why we haven't gotten a response for the questions sent nearly nine months ago.

[BurningPanther]

So... what? Is a dissertation required for every inquiry?

[Murphie]

Originally Posted by BurningPanther

So... what? Is a dissertation required for every inquiry?

No one is suggesting that. But they are suggesting that posters:

- Use the forum correctly (ask actual questions, not just make a suggestion, or rant about something).
- Follow the rules for creating a thread.
- Not repost something that has already been asked.
- Not post something that could be answered with a casual search, or a glance at Playonline.

[IfritnoItazura]

Originally Posted by LyonheartLakshmi

According to Icemage, it's not SE's fault, since this is a staging ground for this site's admins to gather questions to submit to SE.

And apparently it's not the admins' fault either. They don't have enough worthwhile questions to submit.

Apparently, it's our fault. We suck at asking questions.

Actually, according to AKosygin, it's his fault. >_>;

My understanding of his explanation is that the feedback loop was never properly set up. That is why I question the need for this sub-forum at all, since until he settles with S-E on what is the proper channel for getting official response to community questions--or if there's a channel at all.

[Feba]

the feedback loop was never properly set up.

I hear a high pitched noise just thinking about it.

Anyway, maybe it would be a good idea to lock the forum until we do get some way to talk to them?

[Vyuru]

No one is suggesting that. But they are suggesting that posters:

- Use the forum correctly (ask actual questions, not just make a suggestion, or rant about something).

I think this is the crux of the problem.

I may be misreading the instructions, but:

To ask a question that is purely a question you cannot make a suggestion, you are asking about something in the game, like:

Which direction do I face for 100% HQ synths?
How do you kill AV?
Can you give me unlimited gil?

Compare that to Icemage's really good suggestion/question post on how to improve BLM's magic bursting. Created before the new forums rules went into place true, but that is more in line with how questions should be asked around here IMO.

Yes, it is more of a suggestion than a question, but it's a well thought out suggestion that gives the game devs something to think about and it provides feedback in terms of what the gamers would like.