[Karinya]

I don't think it's fair to base our speculation on the stupidity of others. A lot of people sub the wrong thing or don't have the necessary gear/spells to do their jobs. That doesn't mean we should change the game because they can't get it together.

I know this is all just discussion, but seriously.

But if we don't base our speculation on the stupidity of others, then there's nothing really wrong with /NIN before 74/37; it's mildly useful for pulling but reduces your damage compared to other subs you could have had, and DW1 isn't all that compared to abilities you could have had from other subs. (Anybody here remember THF/WAR Berserk+SATA? It kicks ass.)

It's after 74 that it makes you nearly invincible, which in a party with no real tank is going to beat the hell out of whatever else you would have used for more damage and more hate. (Yes, even for GA WARs. They could /SAM and do more damage... and probably be dead within the first 3 mobs.)

The problem with /NIN and the reason it's so popular is that subbed utsusemi is just too damn good. Until SE figures out some way to nerf it that doesn't cripple main NINs, people (especially above level 74) will continue to sub it because they want to live after delivering a 1000+ damage WS in a tankless party.