[MrMageo]

So basically what you are saying is that it's wrong for us to expect people to be ready to play any aspect of their job?

Yes I expect Smn, Blu, Rdm, Sch to main heal if needed.

Yes I expect War, Thf, Rng, Cor, Sam and Brd to pull if needed.

I did not once say that i dont expect people to be ready to play any aspect of their job. You take my words out of context.

is as bad as saying SMN/RDM/SCH are defacto main healers.

I think that right there sums it up, SMN/RDM/SCH have more to offer outside of main healing but somehow they have been tossed into a main healing roll 90% of the time. Im not debating the fact they need to do as the party requires but again i say, what about the rest of this stuff that RDM's traditionally do. Instead of just lining up a bunch of DD and a healer andsaying lhulk smash a bunch of times.

Pulling /NIN
Stunner /DRK
Hate contol /THF
Healing /whm, /dnc, /blu, /sch
Crowd control /BLM, /BLU
Support, /DNC,/BRD,/COR, /SMN
Enfeebling, /WHM, /BLM
Tank, /PLD,/BLU,/WAR
2nd voke, /WAR
MB, /BLM, /SCH
SC /NIN,/DRK,/PLD,/BLU

But thats all over looked now last time i was asked to come subbing anything other than WHM to a party was about a month into ToA release. I seriously doubt there are many RDM's who have ever Tanked a meripo, or /THF to provide more hate control. Keep in mind these are pre ToA when everyone wasnt a pussy and parties generally had RDM/WHM/BLM on the backline. It was in the days when people understood that certain jobs such as RDM were more versatile then just main heal. Have you ever seen a NIN/BLM?, probably not, what about NIN/RDM, again highly doubtful. But do you know that ninjas used to use spells other than utsusemi. Did you know that NIN is one of the highest DD jobs in the game? Have you ever seen one put up 1500 damage in 30's? again i doubt it. Why? because to many people have spent the last 2 years being the "Default" that the community subjecates on them. To say i dont advocate players being ready to preform any duties there job can do is BS, i have seen Job's preform many different tasks, and have preformed many myself. Of course this was before the plauge that is ToA, and all jobs have been pigeon holed 1 way or another into a solitary role. IE. SMN main heal. you do kow that SMN's used to be used to replace BLM on the backline solely for the MB? probably not. I have been around since Zilart started i have seen the evolution of the Blink Tank, i watched the decline of RNG, and the surge of the BRD, i have seen more of this games evoluion and recession (ToA) then most people have seen. I think i know a thing or two about what jobs can and cant do. There are very few jobs in this game that are one trick ponies, well zero to be honest WHM/NIN is a great SC partner but when was the last time you saw that happen?

Also on a side note this pgeon holing typically is a NA thing. JP players study every mob and know every thing about a party before it sets out. If they ask you to /WHM its because they need healing support, if they ask you to /DRK its because they want you to stun a Move that will hurt the party. Personally I turn down NA parties consistently, i find NA players to be extremley rude and unpleasent to party with. Id rather sit in a party for 2-3 hours not talking, or occasionally congratulating and thanking the JP players in there own language. To know when im asked to come /XXX its for an acctual reason not because someone saw on the internet that its how the job has to be played. JP parties run smoother because they cover every aspect they need in a party (which is why they use versatille jobs such as RDM) weather its a 3rd wheel SC partner, a secondary voke, a puller or a main healer.