[Amele]

There's at least 3 your missing from that list, I will have to go look it up. One is running purely based on CST participation (Will have to check in on my former Sky LS for that info)

CST participation shell is fairly new then; since when I last went shopping the only NA shells were either EST or PST based.

What calendar? AFAIK, there was no official community sponsored events calendar for Hades (Not counting that informal one on Yahoo JP) I did see a few like Siren, Quetzlcoatl (sp?) and Titan.

http://g-shell.net/sche/sche32.cgi this is the one that BMO and DD also post to, since we overlap slightly with the early start JPN shells on weekends.

currently there's about 25 shells that use this - of these, approximately 6 are less than 3 months old (ok, so I'm low on the number of scrub shells that exist on hades. - looks like I agree that there's 30 active shells currently) I predict of these 30, 10 will be dead in the next 4 months.


obv. there's not 100% participation on this or dynamis-calendar; but afaik all the major asia time shells post here. (that is, I don't know of any asia time shells that don't post here, and before you dismiss that as me not knowing who's running during JPN times, I actually considered several of them before deciding on a late night EST shell, so I did my homework.)

Right now you have 2 sections of Asian "start" times. One begins early Oceania (This includes the players from NZ, AU and the Phillipines as well)

most of the AU players I know who run dynamis either do it with a JPN prime time shell (1800-2200 start JPN time) or a PST based english shell.

and the other starts a few hours, which is based on the southeast asian regions (Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam ... many FFXI import players from that area)
We're not including our friends in Hong Kong, Taiwan and of course China ... they should also be added in here (Korea/Japan)

again, in my experience these players gravitate toward shells that are in JPN prime time. when an event is 3-4 hours long, you don't mind shifting schedule slightly to accommodate: this is why 90% of the NA primetime shells are either EST or PST based.

In this sense, your assumptions are fairly off mostly because (a) you are only using visual data, "what you see" and (b) you don't have any reliable source from the internet as well.

so because my assumptions (backed up by two calendars) are in disagreement with yours, my assumptions are off? where's your 'reliable source' for 30 serious shells?

I'm not making any assumptions.

burden of proof then, I guess. I still don't see where you get 30 more potential shells from either way.

Most of the concerns I have heard come from long time "JP" players (Some of them are Koreans whom I have made friends before my year long hiatus) What they see is what I'm talking about here ... a plethora of level 75 players with no other time sink besides meriting. Sky is so "last year" and aside from a couple of items, do not hold any interest for anyone outside of the "newbies" and RMT.

kings, salvage, einherjar, sea, - dynamis is so last year too except for that small handful of items for each job that are actually unique. same story as sky, basically.

Let's not forget the Americans in Alaska, Hawaii and Guam. Small contingent, but far from "non-existent" ;)

while I don't know of any players from guam, to a person everyone I know in alaska and hawaii runs with a PST shell.

It's more around 30 with upwards of a potential 30 more with "on the fence" LS looking to move on to Dynamis status.

as I said, I'll concede 30 active shells. we still fit just fine, considering there's 10 zones to choose from and we're spread out over a 16 hour period.

are your character info and sig up to date? if they are, I'm not sure why we're even discussing it since you can't even be active in the scene at that level...(unless the 72 dark is still active and not a retired character?)