[Leos]

A cheat is a cheat and there's no difference between enabling minimization and warping around instant claiming everything?

Obviously there's a grey area. You should probably rethink your stance.

Like I already said, they are both against the Terms of Agreement. It's nice that you think one is more acceptable than the other but at the end of the day if you're using a windower only and not other cheats or plug ins or instant claiming bot, you are still susceptible to a ban. I'm not saying there is no differences to cheats, obviously they are all different, but they all result in the same thing, that's why you can't really sit on the fence on this. You are either violating the rules or you are not. Are you telling me that if you're only using a windower that you are not a cheater? Then I dare you to call a GM and tell him you are on a windower and prove it to me that you will not be banned. So, no I don't think I need to rethink my stance. You should actually try reading the post I made.

Yes I am a cheater, I use a windower, I use a minimap, I dat swap, but in terms of morality and because they are blatantly obvious to spot I would never use a bot to outclaim, I wouldn't use a flee tool and whatever else. And hell yes I am still scared to get banned when/if they ever discover that I am using a windower. Just because the general populace thinks it's considered "okay" it doesn't mean it is in the eyes of the people who set up the rules (In this case SE). And if you think I'm wrong show me anywhere in the ToS where it's says enabling minimization is okay and isn't as bannable as instant claiming everything.

Edit: reply to Dagon

Well I just wanna say that the way you said that sounds like a louded shootgun pointed at me (Leos) but I don't mind becase I know what your saying , next time try to make it sound like it not pointing toward anyone ok!

First of all, i didn't read your post when I posted. Second I clearly didn't intend my post to be pointed at anyone. If I did, I would address them. So I don't need you to tell me that I shouldn't try to make it sound like I am pointing at anyone when I am not. Lastly, after reading your post, it's pretty clear that I wasn't even referring to you because your stance is that cheating is bad. So maybe try reading and understanding what people have to say first before thinking they are trying to offend you, ok?