[Murphie]

Not going to take the time to read everything since what I did read was the same crap I have heard over and over again before. Here is the process that was used to make gil sellers part of the list:

Meaning, you're not smart enough to provide a counterpoint, so you'll just grandly dismiss everything before you because you're blinded by your own self-righteousness, right?

1. This was all started before the MPK patch, the dark ages of MPK and trains, not FF11-lite crap we have now. The simple fact is, while they do not straight up say 'buy my gilz!!!!!' after the first dozen or so trains and mob steals, combined with complete lack of logging of for months on end, being constantly active doing nothing but camping NMs for gil and having no gear progression to show for it, and the occasional 'ni hao' (sp) thrown in, people at endgame know who the RMT are after a while.

They don't know. They suspect. You don't know. You suspect. Meanwhile, you MPK them and those who party with them like a petulant child, because how dare they not listen to you! Pure hubris.

2. I compiled the people and the LSs and tracked all their new cohorts, you'd be suprised how easy it is.

If it's so easy, you should go get a job at SE. You'll be a savior!

3. The PTing with sellers started when I was minding my own business and saw people leveling with a knowns GS in Terrigan on my way to Amemit. The people that have been added to the list for PTing with GS were all contacted by me in /t. ALL of them. They all know why I did it, and were given time to leave the PT. They were all given the location of the list should they want to reply to their addition, and told the repurcussions of what could happen if they continued to PT with the RMTs (possible blackballing).

So, some folks didn't listen to the great Cole, and were MPK'd. Well, when you put it that way, it's clear that you were in the right. I mean, who wouldn't believe some random guy who came up and said he'd MPK you for not leaving your party, right?

Now the problems that you have with me are best summed up as follows:

1. You have no proof they are RMT.

No, the problem is that YOU don't have any proof.

2. Why should they/we listen to you?

A valid question. You're just some random guy who has an unusually high opinion of himself.

3. The PTing with sellers is going too far.

Since you have no proof of either who is RMT or who is knowingly partying with RMT, yes, having them on a list of any kind is ridiculous.

4. I want proof of everyone on the list.

Considering that was one of the conditions of the list being allowed to exist here at all, yes. You keep saying you have it, but you have yet to produce any of it.

To these i say:
1. This complaint is made from people who are not endgame from what people's sigs and info say. Endgame people who have been around HNM/NMs for the better part of 2 years, regardless of server know who a great deal of RMT are. Don't believe me? Go ask them. They do not have a flashing sign saying 'I sell gil!', but use some common sense. People who do nothing but move from 1 NM camp to another, for years without logging out, and have absolutely no gear progression, and will even MPK when they can...

Several of the folks who have voiced concern with your methods have been endgame players for a long time. Many of them have been playing as long or longer than you have. I happen to know several endgame players on Seraph who know you very well, and do not agree with you, your list or your methods at all.

They are RMT, get over your fixation on '100%' proof. Yes, you can say there is reasonable doubt, but this is not a court, and OJ was found to have reasonable doubt too.

They aren't RMT until you have 100% proof. They are just a list of folks that you think are RMT. That's what proof is, genius. Guilty until proven innocent isn't how things work.

2. I don't care if they or you listen to me. I give them the ramifications of what is going to happen when I talk to them. They are all given the chance to come and defend themselves, some did on allak, openly admitting to what they did and showing no remorse. They were promptly lambasted by everyone.

You are not the judge jury and executioner, Cole. You are just another player like them. For you to even think that you have any kind of justification for this is laughable and quite frankly, more than a little bit sad.

3. Maybe, maybe it is going to far. That is your opinion. I personally think it is going almost far enough. If I could post the list in the middle of Jeuno for everyone to see, in english and japanese, I would. That is what I call going far enough. Remember that price jump in December next time you think I am going too far.

So what if you could post the list in Jeuno? It would be your word against theirs. You are not an SE employee. This is not your concern. You are overstepping your boundaries and seem unable to acknowledge that this system is deeply flawed.

4. You want proof for people who are RMTs? You don't trust myself and the other ppl from Seraph who know the truth and post here? PM me for a WP. I'll get you on Seraph and will give you leaders of as many HNMLSs as I can find. You can ask them if the people/LSs are RMT, then come and admit to me I was right and you were wrong.

No, I don't trust you. No I don't trust your contributors. I played on Seraph for a long time (and have many friends that still do), and from what I've seen of you and your methods, I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you. Your behavior in this this thread, and your previous list threads isn't doing you any favors in that regard either.

You want proof for all PTers with RMT? All that have been added since the ffxionline move have screenshots posted in the thread itself from at the time they were reported. The people from the allakhazam thread were all reported as day/time/location and with what RMT they were with, some have screenshots, some do not. Some responded back, some did not.

If you don't have screenshotted proof, then they shouldn't be on the list. Period. Especially for those in the "partied with RMT" section. That's the worst of all, because it relies on hearsay and word of mouth, and also requires that the individual listed would 1.) Know about your list, 2.) Trust you to steer them right.

Lastly, I want to put this bluntly. If you are not from Seraph, you don't have a right to complain. If you are not in a position to actively compete with RMT, you don't have a right to complain. If you don't PM me for a WP to get on Seraph and talk to people, you don't have a right to complain.

We have every right. What you don't have is a right to tell us what we can and cannot complain about. The audacity involved in even assuming that is laughable.

I believe that takes care of all of you complainers, have a nice day.

Not really. But thanks for playing!