Okay. First the examples of blacklist type threads:
Remora's Blacklist Thread Alexander's "People to watch out for" Thread
Garuda's "Bad Players" Thread Ifrit's Gillseller List Thread
I could go on, and yes, these are all Alla threads, as that is where I frequented before the unfortunate buy-out. I'm sure I could dig up some on KI if I tried hard enough. There were a few other lists, but most of them would be tame by your comparisons to Cole's list. Some of these have the posters listing who and what, but I haven't see any screenshots as proof, yet I see few disputes about their bad players. Point is that Cole isn't the only one who has a list for RMT and bad players 'n such. He may be the most dedicated to a post of this type, but he is in no way the only one doing it. And many of you are blaming just Cole. He started the list, he maintains the list, but he is hardly the only contributor to this list. As for the replies above:
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You say there are people who've had their endgame reputations ruined due to this list
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-- I'm sorry about that. My mistake. I mixed up one of your posts for ValisofValefor's.
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So if there is no way of reliably verifying any of these names, then what is the point of having a list at all? |
-- So due to a lack of being able to provide 100% proof, due to the only types of proof being susceptible to unreliability through one's word or graphical adjustments, it shouldn't exist at all? I've seen people provide screenshots of RMT admitting that they are RMT. That could be proof, but it could also have been photoshopped, and because of that, it lies on the 50/50 line. However, when that same RMT performs roughly all of the actions of all the suspected RMT, I'm more likely to lean towards the evidence being valid. Heck... I suppose all player warning type threads should be removed as well? No "player stole LS's Kraken Club" or "player stole gil funds and left" and so on, even though people may not have screenshots or even if they do, because the dialogue in it could have been faked?
[quote}And we have been invited to start a new thread (which we are currently posting in) for comments or criticisms on this List. What's the problem?[/quote]
-- There isn't a problem. Your interests in what goes on in the community are valid of course, but the moderators themselves have taken their own interests in The List, and it has been given the OK to stay where it's at. That's the point where the problem should have ended.
As for the people who sign up for a forum to come in and defend themselves, yes, it could be someone else faking the player. That's always a possibility. Obviously anything on the internet is possible, but that doesn't mean everything has to be discredited just because it can be faked. Doesn't mean it has to be true just because it's possible too.
In the end really, it depends on who you interact with on the server, what types of grievances the RMT has given you on our server, and what you hear through your linkshells and party members. If you aren't integrated into the Seraph server, you won't understand why the list is as it is nearly as much as those who are.